How exactly would removing ads bloom from Hand cannons make them OP considering that the reason we have bloom in the first place was because the House of Wolves versions of the Thorn, Last Word, and Hawkmoon were OP? Right now, HC damage is balanced around the assumption that you are firing the gun as fast as you can and are still hitting your shots. On top of that HC's already have aim assistance drop off and more severe damage drop of compared to most weapons in the game. If hc-ads bloom was removed, HCs would definitely rise in popularity, but wouldn't become dominant because damage and aim assistance drop off would make using them outside the middle of mid range difficult and impractical...

The reason 180s are most popular is because they have the least amount of bloom. If they do that to all HC classes what do you think will happen? As of now 7 out of the 10 energy and kinetic weapons combined are HC classes. Remove bloom and that number will do up. Ill add this also:im fine with no bloom, shit i got me some great ass HCs with god rolls that i dont bother with because of bloom so im game if they do this. Im just making an observation.

Well how's about we look at the PC version of Destiny 2 as an example of what might happen. From what I've seen of PC Crucible, the meta is more or less the same as on console despite the fact HC's don't have ads bloom. In fact thw meta on PC seems to have more than just HC's. So don't you think that by removing ads bloom the meta on console would become more like the meta on PC, containing different weapons? I will admit if HC-ads bloom were to be removed HC's would rise in popularity, but wouldn't become dominant due to things like blast furnace, bygones, maybe the scorpio(forgot the official name to that scout), to help keep them in check. Usually when i bring up D1Y1 and how only 3/100s of hand cannons were overpowered in a bloom argument I never hear back from that person so I'm somewhat skeptical of bloom supporters. So thanks for trying to shine a light on bloom from a different angle...

https://guardian.gg/2/weapon-stats/4/73/0/2019-03-08/2019-04-08 Thats the pc usuage. On this same link just change the pc to xbox or ps4. Now keep i mind everyone and their mama is working on thorn quest the past month. I fully get you man but personaly to me bungo has too much of a hard on for HCs. We have the rose,hawkmoon inbound as well. I would like to see another change. I will also add that they need to becareful what future future perks they allow on 180s. Back when they talked about the buffs to 180s i called it, i said 180s would be meta. I was using the hell out of the ikelos HC before it was a thing when they were glitched and they still felt too good, too easy. Folks on here just hit me with "get good, and stop crying". Well here we are a year or so later and 3 of the top 5 energy meta weapons are 180s and trust me service revolver will make its way to kinetic top 5 soon.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqRBgqqZDQE Try playing this video in slow motion. I'm pretty sure anyone who says "Hand cannon bloom is working right." won't be able to do it with a strait face after watching this.

Oh i get it dude i totaly get it. If they removed bloom they would have to do something to other weapons, more base stability maybe? If they removed bloom the first thing folka would do is go even more for thorn, how about 110s with no bloom and that crazy range we can roll on 110s. Why would anyone ever pick up a scout or auto rifle again?

The Weaker aim assist at range and lower handling speeds 110s have would likely prevent scouts and autos from becoming obsolete. Plus from my time with my duke 44. flinch is also gonna be a problem even if bloom is removed. Not to mention to get those godly 110s going you need to catch someone off guard and kill them first. And here's a question for you. Would you radther have another HC meta for a short while to give NF and Luna some needed competition or would you radther have both comp weapons stay dominant with using those very weapons to counter them?

I would like to see a damage buff to smgs, auto rifles, a range buff to sidearms, fusions to be more consistent, less flinch for snipers. I can go on and on but my point is buff everything else and folks will try new things.

Yeah, recoil values on console need to be changed and brought in line with PC. Why should the platform that's easier to aim on have very little recoil while the platform where it's harder to aim has substantially more? I hope one day i can get into game development and I'm learning so many things not to do from Bungie...

Right? This would help with other handcannons not being able to compete, but not any other weapon type. If the bloom is reduced I think we'd definitely be seeing more Ace of Spades and Thorn.