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4/4/2019 11:19:58 AM
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Adjusting bloom on other HC on consoles is way to fix 180s dominance
Nothing more to write beside that on PC there is no such a problem many HC are viable along with other weapons.
If Bungie decide to fiddle only with Luna/NF ppl will lean towards Ikelos and Service Revolver in other word nothing will change , that will be same situation as we had in D1 Y3 with special ammo instead resolving problem they removed special ammo on spawn making sidearms only viable special weapon thus killing variety.
Luna and Not Forgotten are not main issue ,bloom or other "black magic" is adjust it and take it from there ,ideally make separate patches for PC and consoles so experience is close ass possible no matter platform.
Just to add up , i play on both PC and PS4.
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4 通の返信Got my luna and thorn same day. Kept seeing service revolver own me though.....where you get that? Well i'm just glad i soloed the comp list and finally nagged me this beauty today.
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14 通の返信
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1 返信No I’m pretty sure luna and not forgotten are still the main issue. Bloom or no bloom the hand cannons are 180, have amazing stability, range and a perk that should not exist. It wont matter how you buff other hand cannons, giving the perk to a 180 hand cannon is overkill. I do think however bloom is an issue on other handcannons but the lunas howl an not forgotten will always be problem as long as it has that perk
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11 通の返信To the people saying this will only perpetuate a hand cannon meta: On console, it is not a hand cannon meta. It is a very blatant 180 RPM hand cannon meta. Trust, Not Forgotten, and Luna's make up over 50% of all energy weapon kills. Well, they did before Ikelos became thing for the Thorn quest. That's still 50% of all energy kills in 1 specific archetype. Something like Ace of Spades, arguably the best 140 HC, makes up a out 1.5% of all kinetic kills. This is not an overall hand cannon meta at all. Adjusting bloom would provide a more consistent counter to the meta. Things like Bygones, Blast Furnace, and a well rolled rapid fire pulse, can compete in this meta in the right situations fairly well. But 140s and 150s don't feel good and fire ghost bullets way too frequently to be consistently lethal on console. And before some player hops on here and says "I use Ace fine. Git gud." You are the exception. Not the rule. I prefer Ace over my NF anyways. NF is bland.
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2 通の返信I wholeheartedly agree. Personally I wish 180's were never introduced into the game, but "if" Bungie decides to remove bloom then I can see there being a lot more diversity in PvP.
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2 通の返信They would never seperate PvE from PvP. There are too many issues with the hybrid engine witch is why they have kept them together. It is the limitation of the "tiger 1.5 engine".They are not going to leave it behind for a new one because it would not make sense. Hopefull down the line rhey think of something or add in more features to the engine.
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2 通の返信That’s not going to change anything without nerfing Luna/ NF. I’m not saying I want those guns to get nerfed I could care less. Imo I’ve seen way more diversity now than before. Competitive being an exception since everyone there is trying their best. Blooms not an issue. It’s the time to kill. Make 140s kill like in d1 and everyone will drop their 180s in a heart beat. There’s still going to be someone complaining about hand cannons being meta after that. This community is so bad.
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6 通の返信Ok, so Trust, I didn't understand. I used it, i was awful with it. I didn't see what the hype was about 180s. However, i just started leveling up one of my other characters and i was using Ikelos in the crucible. Oh My God. I'm still not great, but it basically locked onto people and would not let go. I barely had to aim with it and it did most of the work for me. I have never felt aim assist like i did with that thing. I didn't even know i had one either, so i had already done the thorn quest without it! I'm about halfway to fabled too. Hoping to get a Lunas before they probably nerf it just so i can see how insane that one is. I mean seriously, it wasn't even right compared to other Hand cannons. The other varieties definitely need a buff.
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Thank you all for commenting and still be civil along! As i made that post i dint now that SO many ppl in community can get behind it seems that there should be finally some some acknowledge from Bungie in that regard ( there was many who made posts like that before!) Just to be clear i really dont want D2 be ONLY HC heavy meta i want ppl to enjoy more weapons ( pulses are VERY strong ) but as for today we are clearly in it , AR are capable but not deadly ,Scouts ...lets take one minute of silence (maps?) , smgs are OK ,sidearms are not egsistent but imho only coz shotties took it place , Fuzions are force to recon with (backup plan !!!) Top weapon used in D2 are HC and only 180s No recoil (almost) >>> 110/140/150 perfect in air accuracy ( i shouldn't be a case since there is mod slot for it) No bloom (or whatever is it) How other HC can compete when 180 have those traits INHERENTLY ,its not possible. i understand that ppl still going for Thorn hence usage of Ikelos but we have Thust up there also so its not coincidence. I realize that Bunige is having a LOT of work right now ( restructuring company after split etc.) and may be some time to see some changes BUT i deeply hope that will not include nerfing 180s or atlest not destroying them beyond usability. Tnx one more time for all comments and lets keep that ball rolling as civil as possible:)
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2 通の返信Nothing would make me happier than to use Ace and Thorn in all content without feeling like I'm slightly gimping myself.
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1 返信It won't happen. 180s will become 150s or 140s. Get ready to actually be able to aim.
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2 通の返信You know what bungie will just do instead? Ruin all the 180’s with horrific bloom.
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4 通の返信They should also lower the recoil for most weapons on console. The reason why 180s are so popular is because they have hardly any recoil. I’m not saying make other weapons have 0 recoil but lower so that 180s aren’t the only option. If recoil was lowered a bit other weapons would feel good to use and would actually stand a chance.
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1 返信Completely agree, bloom is one of the stupidest mechanics in destiny. What’s the point of having a rate of fire stat if you can’t shoot at it due to bloom. My shot should go exactly where I put it and shouldn’t be subjected to rng.
