Of course I've tried both while under leveled, don't insult me. I've played this game since release, so don't even suggest that you know so much more than I do. And if I'm not mistaken, this is what started the argument in the first place. [quote]Sniping has never take any skill in Destiny. Just line up the center of your screen with their head and quick scope.[/quote] This sounds more like a pvp issue to me. Obviously sniping in pve is easy, anyone can do it. Anyone can do anything in pve since you are much more powerful than everything else. pvp is a much different story, and don't go off topic in order to prove a point. My point stands that sniping takes skill. If you want to believe otherwise, then fine. Just don't call for a nerf next time you get sniped.

Why not balance a game? There is a problem with Snipers, it needs to be fixed. Get over it. You're not as good as you think.

There's nothing wrong with snipers, especially if there not even as strong as shotguns. I don't know why you insist that snipers are OP if they underperform shotguns. I think I've said this enough, but in the higher skilled lobbies, you are putting yourself at a disadvantage if you use more than 1 sniper in 3v3 play lists. So if snipers put you at a disadvantage by having more of them, why would we want to nerf them? What "balance" issues are there if they underperform shotguns? I know I'm not the best player, but I've had to snipe against some really tough opponents. I found it much easier to use a shotgun against them than sniping them. At the very least, snipers don't need a nerf. I don't know what else if you still disagree, but I suppose I can't force my opinion on you.

Except they put you at an advantage for using more of them. Shotguns can only be used within Melee distance. If you're playing good players, they will gun you down before you can close the distance. As for Snipers, they require the enemy to be visible. In any range, Snipers are a much better option. There is no flinch and no accuracy penalty while Scoping in. As long as you have thumbs, lining up the center of your screen with a targets head isn't hard, especially with a crosshair looking right at it while Hip Firing. Is this not OP?

Maybe this will help you understand a little better. kjhovey is one of the best snipers in the game, yet even he resorts to using a shotgun so that he isn't putting his team at a disadvantage. Meanwhile, managator only goes 6 and 8 the whole match. Why? Because even he isn't quite accustomed to sniping against sweaty opponents. It isn't as easy as aiming at the head against these guys. They use vertical space to their advantage so that it's nearly impossible to pull off for the average player. Meanwhile, TrueVanguard is able to go to work with a shotgun. He seems to have little trouble closing the gap, he isn't gunned down very often when he attempts this. These are great opponents he is up against, yet he makes them look like average players with the way he uses a shotgun. I'm not saying shotgunning doesn't take skill, I'm just saying that my point stands that shotguns are the more viable weapon to use in these game modes. My main point, however, is that snipers do in fact take much more skill than you think they do.

That Khj kid might be the way sniper I your boosting lobbies, but no one knows who is outside of that. As for Planet Destiny, he just does Shitty Commentaries on things he doesn't even understand. He actually made up something he calls Bullet Magnetism that somehow doesn't exist on Snipers. He tested this with an out of range Hand Cannon saying that the bullet was pulled to his target. Does he not know what weapon Accuracy is? This little ring so called Sweats doesn't show anything but that people can use a glitch to play set up matches. Also, your friends in your "private matches" are all on PS4. It's been known for a while that Competition is laughable compared to Xbox. This has been the case since Halo and has continued through these 2 years of Destiny. You can't just crown a Sniping King on a console that doesn't have near the player skill of the other. Just because more YouTube fanboys play on PS4 because they saw their favorite YouTuber ignorantly buying a PS4, doesn't mean the PS4 is completely superior to Xbox One. Don't even get me started on the details. My point is, you can't base your group of friends as the basis of balance in this game. And acting like a YouTuber with a bunch of fanboys who will eat anything he says knows every fact about a game he plays for views is just stupid. He could say that High ROF Shotguns need a nerf and his fan club would start a riot about it. He clearly doesn't know that weapon Accuracy is a thing and made a completely false statement without admitting he -blam!-ed up (because that would lose viewers). My point being that the best players at games don't use YouTube or any other streaming apps because they play the game to be the best, not to have fun in private matches trying to become famous by playing video games. There was even a video of a Halo Vet playing CoD and beat Pamaj in a 1v1. Nobody knew who this guy was until he messaged for a 1v1 and he beat Pamaj who was announced King of Cod by YouTube. Don't even try to say that these Tournaments host the best players when they are hosted by YouTubers on a console that doesn't have the best players on it. I'm honestly tiered of arguing. Just try to get it through your thick skull that Sniping has always been a problem and it's about time to fix it. I've been quickscoping in Destiny since launch... When everybody was saying it was impossible. But now look at it. 12 yr olds everywhere are doing it and it somehow takes skill?

You just went on a rant that literally made no sense. Maybe you're the one with the thick skull if you think that snipers need a nerf. They are the less effective special weapon, and this is an undeniable fact that every competitive destiny player will say. It doesn't matter what console they play, they all say it. Also, you don't know anything when you say that Destiny on Xbox is more competitive. Several streamers have personally said that they feel almost no difference between the skill gaps of the 2 consoles. If you want to say you're better than me, then go ahead and buy yourself a ps4. I'll do as many 1v1s as you want when Rise of Iron comes out. You try using a sniper while I use a shotgun, and we'll see which one is really better. I don't know when you'll ever understand that snipers aren't broken or OP. I've had lots of arguments about snipers, but you have to be the most stubborn one I've argued against Go show me footage of you quick scoping people consistently. I guarantee you can't do it against decent opponents. I tried to have a civil argument, but I've given up a while ago. I also don't appreciate you disrespecting kjhovey. It's one thing to disagree with him, but to falsely accuse him of something he never did is wrong. I never remember hovey being on a planet destiny video to discuss how range works. Holtzmann was on an episode, but neither of them spread miss information. Edit: I never said I had private matches myself. I have simply played against some really great players, and it's extremely difficult to snipe them. I have yet to snipe any of them, only shotgun them. Please stop saying that sniping takes no skill when it clearly does. It's beyond insulting.

Snipers is not a high efficiency weapon it was initially made to silently assassinate targets from long range. No one in a open war gets 11 sniper kills only in dumb video games it appear that way. And in destiny these snipers are marksman rifles practically.

At the same time, nobody consistently gets shotgun or knife kills in the real battlefield. Most I would think use something similar to Destiny's auto rifles, scout rifles, and pulse rifles. Even handcannons don't seem like something that a typical soldier would use.

If there was as many cqc situations in the battlefield as there is in destiny the most used weapons would be shotguns. What u said did not make any sense. And there also would be handguns in the mix too what definitely wouldn't be used is snipers which requires concentration to aim less mobility and also requires you to stay still to get a precise hit. Many ppl that served in the army would tell u that.

I never said he was on Planet Destiny. I was talking about him separately. No wonder you honk Snipers are fine, you can't even read let alone playing the game. I'm honestly done. You have no idea what you're talking about. Congrats on being the first person I have ever muted.

Ok then, if sniping is so easy, why don't you do it? Maybe you should actually try something enough before you say it takes no skill. Can't wait until those private matches come out so that we can really see if shotguns are so bad and snipers are OP.

I have used them plenty. Snipers have no flinch, and no range constraints. They are easy to use at close and mid range making Shotguns and Fusion Rifles pointless. How is this not game breaking?

Prove to me that they're easy to use at close range. If I remember correctly, you were the same guy who had more shotgun kills than anything else, and you only had a couple hundred sniper kills. Me? I've had thousands of kills with both snipers and shotguns, and I'm telling you, snipers aren't broken. They put you at a disadvantage more than anything, so I don't see why they need a nerf when shotguns are still better in almost every game mode, including Trials.

And once again, look at my stats and see my 20,000 sniper kills compared to my 15,000 shotgun kills.

Destiny Tracker says otherwise. The app accounts for all kills, including pve. Destiny Tracker tells you how many kills you have with each character in pvp. You have far more shotgun kills than you do with sniper kills, which is why I think you're opinion is heavily biased. In fact, ok some of your characters, you have more shotgun kills than anything elsr. I, on the other hand, have a pretty even balance between shotgun kills and sniper kills, both of which are fewer in number than my primary kills.

Again, Destiny Tracker is a 3rd Party Company, you can't trust it. You also have to update your own stats. If you only play PvP, then how are you able to say how weapons react? You can't play half of a game and act like you know the whole thing. Who's Opinion is more biased?

Don't change the subject, we're talking about pvp. You can't possible tell me which weapon takes more skill in pve when that's completely different from pvp. And don't avoid the fact that you abuse shotguns and still continue to say that "sniping takes no skill." I wouldn't care how much you used shotguns if you didn't say that. I said it before as well, Destiny Tracker is very reliable, so long as you manually update the stats. If I myself updated the stats, then it's reliable. Don't use this as an excuse to avoid the fact that you don't snipe nearly as much as you say so, or that you use shotguns much more than you'd like to admit. I usually don't like getting into arguments, but I hate when people say a gun doesn't take skill, especially if that gun is a sniper. I can wait until Rise of Iron so that I can do those 1v1 private matches. I know you're on Xbox, but we'll see which weapon really takes more skill then.

Why we have to play like the others campers and hardscoping guys?