I'll start. Make it so guardians take [b]35%[/b] additional damage while invisible, and if invisibility is broken (by taking damage, not by cancelling it) they become [b]weakened[/b] for 6 seconds (PVP weaken is 7.5% additional damage). [spoiler][i]They could also become supressed?[/i][/spoiler] Weapon damage breakpoints: It will still take 3 shots to kill an invisible guardian with a 140 RPM handcannon, 2h 1b. It will take 2 headshots to kill an invisible guardian with a 120 RPM handcannon, 2h. It will take 7-8 shots to kill an invisible guardian with Redrix's Estoc (3 pulses). Either 6h 1b or 4h 4b. The first shot deals 35% additional damage and breaks invisibility, the second and beyond deals 7.5% extra damage because of weaken. Weapon damage calculations: [spoiler]140 Handcannon 2h1b: 79.85 * 1.35 + 1.075 * ( 79.85 + 44.5 ) = 241.47375 120 Handcannon 2h: 90.85 * 1.35 + 1.075 * ( 49.03 + 49.03 ) = 228.062 Redrix's 6h1b: 31.81 * 1.35 + 1.075 * ( 5 * 31.81 + 1 * 20.41 ) = 235.863 Redrix's 4h4b: 20.41 * 1.35 + 1.075 * (4 * 31.81 + 3 * 20.41) = 230.15875[/spoiler] This will add some counterplay to invis hunters and force them off the field and away from direct engagements, with more focus more on flanking.