I don't recall Final Shape making my Void Titan any stronger, if anything Ward of Dawn received nerf. And Prismatic is like.. 5% weapon damage boost when the mini-Super is active?

Apply the changes to master or implement contest mode as new difficulty. Making normal raids and dungeons this restrictive is only annoying and will keep a lot of players from engaging in these activities.

Exactly

[quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote][quote]It’s a very healthy and necessary change for the game to help combat the insane power creep with prismatic, they also significantly bumped a lot of weapons and abilities. This is just so dps phases aren’t such a joke. So that the raids stay relevant and fun.[/quote] It's the same raid, same bosses, same loot, same mechanics, same enemies, and the same environment. Making it -5 doesn't make it fresh. Nothing will ever make a 4-5 year old raid feel fresh, because it's not fresh content, it's old content. All the -5 does is make it more tedious to do, and tedium isn't fun for the vast majority of people. Who cares if people are having fun and completing old raids more easily? Like fr why do you care? You're not going to play LW or GoS or DSC enough to make up for the people who aren't going to bother.[/quote] It’s not about making it “fresh” Which honestly I wish they would They’ve done it in the past when they adjusted the third encounter. The change is about maintaining relevance with power creep Dps phases shouldn’t be a complete joke in end game content It should be something you have to pay attention to. And have a team effort not one or two people carrying everyone else It’s -5 Before everyone jumps on the hate train immediately You can’t buff everything constantly and never adjust the encounters, that’s not healthy, fun, or rewarding. Old content to us is still new content to a lot of players and they should have the chance to experience the same feeling of accomplishment at the end.[/quote] The problem is, they aren't relevant. Everyone has red borders from the prior raids. Nobody wants GoS loot pool at all. All this did was take the loot we all got under the old paradigm and make it worse to get for new players who haven't done it yet. But you're not going back to the old raids more often because of this. No one is. So it's just a net loss. Giving last Wish red borders was what made it relevant again. This difficulty change isn't driving people to GoS in huge numbers. Sorry, but I don't think you used the word "relevant" correctly here. Making DPS checks more tedious isn't what drives people to old activities. And now people less experienced than us are going to have the "privilege" of doing what we did in a less friendly environment. Let's see how that goes. I already know it's going to end poorly.[/quote] lol The ego, oh my days I never said loot relevance for you or me I said boss relevance They shouldn’t be considered a joke which in a lot of the older raids They have been For a long Long time It’s -5 Again People are jumping on the rage train and blowing it out of proportion -5 is incredibly reasonable especially considering bungie just made the change for team power levels New players deserve to have a sense of accomplishment, they deserve to actually LEARN the encounters and how to build craft for them So they can improve And the joy that follows from it Power creep is real Weapon buffs, easier access to debuffs, new abilities, and prismatic opening entirely new and insane ways to build craft It’s a very different experience.[/quote] It doesn't make anything more relevant. It just makes it more tedious. You're not going back to do these old raids more than 1 or 2 times to "enjoy the difficulty". You're simply not going to do it. I have over 500 Sherpa raids. They get excited when they get the raid exotic regardless of how difficult it was to get there. They feel progression when they get red borders just fine. I actually talk to these people. Do you? Datto doesn't, and neither do most of the other streamers.[/quote] Dude It’s not “making it harder” it’s minor tuning in an attempt to maintaining a similar consistent level of difficulty so that players who are entering it now have a similar experience and effort/reward ratio End game content should be a challenge Bungie play tested a lot with difficulty through pantheon And guess what The numbers were sky high The hype it built for the community was amazing and the title is among one of the most common raid titles in d2 history….becuase it was so successful Which is perfect People loved it Entry first week Was -5 I don’t care how many you have I know you love to flex it[/quote] It's a -25 total light level deficit. Pantheon was a timed activity that had an end. That doesn't translate to something that never goes away. This community eats FOMO for breakfast, lunch, and dinner, and Pantheon was an entirely different activity than "raids in general" It's an apples or oranges comparison. Honestly, if they were gonna do this, they should've reset everyone's red borders, raid seals, solo flawless dungeons, etc, and torn away their progress too so you can experience the magic of going back and doing all this "relevant" content again at its new difficulty level. But again, most people who are for this change already did their hard stuff, so they don't care that it's different, and they don't help newer players through any of it. Go redo all your raid seals and solo flawless dungeons, and then regrind all your red borders, and then come back and tell me how much fun you had. Until then, all you are is a player who got the hard stuff done when it was easy, and now you're saying other players have to do it now that it's hard and somehow try to justify the notion that it's the same experience when it f*cking isn't. It's hypocrisy of the highest order. Datto isn't doing anymore solo flawless Warlords. Honestly, at this point forward, anyone who does a solo flawless Warlords is better than everyone who did before the change.[/quote] I’ve never understood the hate YouTubers receive on this form Yes it’s a job for them But for someone who loves to flex 500 sherpas Let’s take a look at the numbers Go look at all of Datto’s how to videos, where he teaches mechanics for dungeons and raids, go look at all the build crafting videos people like plunder or mactics put out constantly Destiny is honestly really lucky to have such a thriving community of content creators who put out so much. It’s like DIM, charlemagne, d2foundry, d2checkpoint, Kyber, etc… Destiny has a LOT of community resources, people who work really hard to provide insane resources. How many people do you think content creators have taught and helped? I think the real rage Is from people who do paid carry’s It’s literally -5 We aren’t talking about big hit here That’s the same amount players receive with shared fireteam light levels And there’s surges now Free additional damage.[/quote] I've taught people who watched those videos and he never updates them from his day 1 strats to incorporate new and more optimized stuff. -5 is 35% less damage you deal and +30% more damage being dealt to you. Surges help the one, but nothing helps the other since we've had resistance mods since before the change. Surges are 25% damage buff subtracting the fact that the best weapons won't be available all the time so you're doing suboptimal damage as a function of the surges being off meta. So it is not free additional damage. No matter what you do, you'll never be at even 0 light damage. You'll always be under. And the content creator community is 99% calling for nerfs and harder content than those content creators don't even play. Datto isn't doing GoS now that it's harder. He's not doing div runs to help people or anything like that. He just made the game worse for thousands of people, washed his hands of it, and walked away. D2 would be better if he shut up.

Ok, and that is your right. But lots of players I know are finding the new difficulty oppressive and reducing how much they raid not increasing it. So it might appeal to some sweaty players but will ultimately lead to less raiders which is a bad thing.