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6/29/2024 10:20:55 AM
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They did this by design, a calculated move to further the prejudice of their game world, which makes them more money at the expense of others enjoyment. Because it is entirely deliberate they are unlikely to come on and apologise or remove their exclusion. Its what they want.
They may come on and repeat one of their bad justification cover stories: that Destiny is "best" played with others (Is it? According to whom?) or "we're building world to inspire friendships" (No you're doing nothing of the kind but mandating the exclusion of others for your own greed).
So I wouldn't have high hopes. Virtue-signalling companies aren't virtuous.
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Editado por TheHopeWithin: 6/30/2024 12:04:20 AMJ3s us Ch61st.
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Yamabushi? There's no point arguing anything on here at all. Don't waste your time. Literally pissing directly into the wind. This forum is notorious.
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True. People rarely change. And some of the toxicity and stupidity here ironically supports why many players would hate spending any time with randoms. I recognize the trolls and dimwits though - Ive been here that long. It wont change the BDFs but it does expose the bad arguments, the false information, the gas-lighting, the false superiority, the cliched one-liner weak responses, and so on.
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Yeah, change would be for you to get a group or a fireteam. Talk about change.
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How would that be a change? Dont answer, it'll be dumb, irrelevant, and wrong.
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Bait used to be believable
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You'd have to be a bit dim to see this or any of the trending and numerous Reddit posts, Twitter posts, Bungie Forum posts and YouTube videos on this exclusion as "bait".
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The only mf excluding you is yourself. The game isn't built to revolve around what you want. You're crying over problems you're responsible for, and to nobody's surprise, you blame everyone but yourself.
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So gaslighting in the face of company mandates and restrictions is ridiculous.
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Don't forget your clown shoes on the way out..
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Waahhh waaah waaaahhhhhhhhhh
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[quote]They did this by design, a calculated move to further the prejudice of their game world, which makes them more money at the expense of others enjoyment. Because it is entirely deliberate they are unlikely to come on and apologise or remove their exclusion. Its what they want. They may come on and repeat one of their bad justification cover stories: that Destiny is "best" played with others (Is it? According to whom?) or "we're building world to inspire friendships" (No you're doing nothing of the kind but mandating the exclusion of others for your own greed). So I wouldn't have high hopes. Virtue-signalling companies aren't virtuous.[/quote] Solo players aren't being excluded. They have the same opportunities the rest of us do. Their refusal to use the resources available to them to accomplish the things they want to accomplish is a personal problem. You don't get to sit by yourself and then get mad when you can't get into a couples event.
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Editado por Motorhead England: 6/30/2024 2:12:21 AM[quote]Solo players aren't being excluded.[/quote] These few words alone are contradictory. If a solo player wants to do this mission, he/she has to find a second player. Whether it be a brother, sister, friend, someone from lfg, a priest, a policeman, a US president, or an astronaut, the moment that player steps in with another player, he/she is no longer a solo player. Those 2 players become a duo, hence the name Dual Mission. Solo players cannot even [b]load [/b]into the mission. This is a double standard. A double standard is a code or policy that favours one group or person over another. Double standards are unfair. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just stating blatently obvious facts.
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[quote][quote]Solo players aren't being excluded.[/quote] These few words alone are contradictory. If a solo player wants to do this mission, he/she has to find a second player. Whether it be a brother, sister, friend, someone from lfg, a priest, a policeman, a US president, or an astronaut, the moment that player steps in with another player, he/she is no longer a solo player. Those 2 players become a duo, hence the name Dual Mission. Solo players cannot even [b]load [/b]into the mission. This is a double standard. A double standard is a code or policy that favours one group or person over another. Double standards are unfair. I'm not trying to argue, I'm just stating blatently obvious facts.[/quote] If your personal choices result in you being unable to do something, you don't get to cry exclusion. Also, side bar, if you Google double standard, this is the top definition. a rule or principle which is [u]unfairly[/u] applied in different ways to different people or groups. The word [b][i][u]unfairly[/u][/i][/b] is very important here. If I say it's not okay for my daughter to date, but it is okay for my son to date, that's a double standard because the rules of dating aren't being applied fairly. Saying that you need another person to complete the mission isn't a double standard because the rules apply evenly to both groups. We're both allowed to date, solo players choose not to and are mad that they can't get an engagement ring.
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Editado por Motorhead England: 6/30/2024 8:14:10 PMWell, I'm going by the Oxford English dictionary for my definition of double standard. And I cannot [i]make [/i]a choice, that's the problem. I can't even load in solo, and as soon as I find someone to do it with I'm no longer solo. Try looking up the definition of solo on google, then look up dual. Maybe you'll believe what google say cos you don't seem to understand me. I'll do it for you, Solo.....done by one person alone, unaccompanied. Dual.....consisting of two parts, elements, or aspects. I know you'll check it cos you wont believe me.
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[quote]Well, I'm going by the Oxford English dictionary for my definition of double standard.[/quote] Can you link me to the version you're using? Because no version of the Oxford English Dictionary I've seen describes it like that. The only place I've seen that uses that verbage is this website: https://www.vocabulary.com/dictionary/double%20standard If there's a version of the Oxford English Dictionary I'm missing I'd love to learn about it. Might be some cool stuff in there. [quote]And I cannot [i]make [/i]a choice, that's the problem. I can't even load in solo, and as soon as I find someone to do it with I'm no longer solo. Try looking up the definition of solo on google, then look up dual.[/quote] You can make a choice. You can either team up and do the mission or stay solo and never get it done. That's the choice. Make a buddy, or don't get the class item. [quote] Maybe you'll believe what google say cos you don't seem to understand me. I'll do it for you, Solo.....done by one person alone, unaccompanied. Dual.....consisting of two parts, elements, or aspects. I know you'll check it cos you wont believe me. [/quote] I understand you. You're just incorrect about not having a choice. You're also incorrect about this being some kind of double standard.
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It's a very limited choice, don't do it at all or don't do it solo. A real and fair choice would be do it by yourself or with a team mate. What I don't understand is why people are arguing about it. If you don't mind teaming up, fine,go for it. This is an issue between solo players and Bungie. It doesn't affect anyone else. I did find it hilarious though when players who said what a brilliant quest it was, then Bungie it when the double loot glitch was patched.
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It's a basic attempt to sidestep the logic of the actual point we raised We should have choice how we fundamentally want to play the game, whether to soloplay or team up... Becomes: but you have a choice - teamup or ummm...don't play it. It's an obvious logic fail and non-argument. The motivation they do it: imo it's gatekeeping. Feels good to try to justify having something, ANYTHING, others can't get. Propping up a false, unearned sense of superiority.
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To extrapolate, is it then also unfair that people who want to play a pacifist style and not do any violence can't play the game how they want to? Also, of course it affects other people. One obvious one would be that design choices bungie make affect the playerbase as a whole. I'm certain you can think of several other ways that it would affect other people, for better or worse.
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[quote]It's a very limited choice, don't do it at all or don't do it solo.[/quote] A limited choice is still a choice though. So saying you have no choice is false. [quote]A real and fair choice would be do it by yourself or with a team mate.[/quote] I personally view the current option as fair, but then again I have the class items on each class so I might be biased. I'm more driven than the average bear. [quote]What I don't understand is why people are arguing about it.[/quote] I don't understand why this is an issue either, but from the opposite side. [quote]If you don't mind teaming up, fine,go for it. This is an issue between solo players and Bungie. It doesn't affect anyone else.[/quote] It's really clogging up the forum. That's what bothers me. Everyday with this stuff. [quote]I did find it hilarious though when players who said what a brilliant quest it was, then Bungie it when the double loot glitch was patched. [/quote] I still think it's good. But that's just me.
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[quote]It's really clogging up the forum. That's what bothers me. Everyday with this stuff.[/quote] If that's the case, it must be a dilemma that's affecting many players. And Bungie should at least respond out of [i]decency[/i], whether they choose to come up with a solution or not. I'm sure if streamers couldn't exploit this for carries to attract subscribers, or make their "how to" videos, maybe it would have been addressed, but we all know that the Destiny player base are ignored usually.
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[quote][quote]It's really clogging up the forum. That's what bothers me. Everyday with this stuff.[/quote] If that's the case, it must be a dilemma that's affecting many players. And Bungie should at least respond out of [i]decency[/i], whether they choose to come up with a solution or not. I'm sure if streamers couldn't exploit this for carries to attract subscribers, or make their "how to" videos, maybe it would have been addressed, but we all know that the Destiny player base are ignored usually.[/quote] Would you guys really feel better if Bungie came out and said "Duel Destiny is staying the way it is. Tough luck."?
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Personally, I wouldn't feel better, but I'd have more respect for them than I have now for saying nothing. At least it would be some kind of closure. I would say, ok, if splitting the community is the way you're going to treat your valued customers in future content, I can quit now and not look back.
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Editado por Artisan: 6/29/2024 11:51:05 AM[quote] Solo players aren't being excluded. [/quote] Yes, yes they are. See Dual Destiny, which is the main objection here. And no, FTF doesnt have asoloplaying option last time I checked. You cant soloplay DD with or without FTF and the important part is that excludes soloplayers from getting key DLC loot. If they wanted to narrowly mandate premade pair activities, they should have been matchmade and been creatively made with that in mind or failing that it simply shouldnt be for a whole class of key exotics but rathers something less functionally consequential, like unique ornaments. Failing both those, there should have been alternative routes for such key items.
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I have some questions, but to make sure I don't assume something let's make sure we are on the same page with definitions: what do you define as a "solo player" and "solo playing"?
