Afternoon! With the recent announcement on the TWAB about SBMM in Control, there's be a lot of posts (mainly positive) on this matter and almost an anti F-Sweats vibe. As an older guardian (37 next week) who has been gaming online since counter-strike 1.3 in 1993, I'm surprised by the attitude most people are taking on this and wanted to try to have an open conversation behind some logic here. This might be a TLDR Wall of Text, so please disregard if it's too much for you. I'll understand. I PvP main this game, I can do PvE and am not terrible at it by any means, but I find PvE to become utterly boring after one GM run. That's me. PvP is what I enjoy. When I started gaming, the first online experience in FPS was Counter-strike, and starting off I was absolutely terrible. If I managed a single kill in 1 game I had a good game. I was destroyed. However, I wanted to improve - I needed to be that guy at the top of the chart. So I studied the guys who kept killing me. Their weapons, map positioning, key-bindings, how to read the radar and understand my teams placement and how it effected me etc...until I got better. I noticed I started being able to predict enemy movements by seeing repeat patterns - my aim got better, map awareness was better. Hell, my ability to identify even footsteps grew. Overtime, I started winning my 1v1's against the same guys who kicked my -blam!-. I didn't always win, but I stared winning more than I lost. The better I got, the more enjoyment I gained from the game - because I was skill improving against people I wanted be like. Never once did it ever occur to me to complain about easier lobbies. SBMM is not going to solve the lower skillbase of PvP players problems - no matter how much people think it will. I've played countless games of control and I watch how my teammates play, and majority of the crucible population is clueless how to play PvP. SBMM won't cure this - PvP like PvE, requires specific loadouts - placement - coordination etc.. to be successful and most people in PvP don't want to try that hard. All SBMM will do is allow the lower skillbase players to beat up other lower skillbase players but this won't help them improve their game. You have to have the Patriots and Chiefs of the league, just like you have to have the Lions. You need a the top / middle and bottom tier people playing together because that's how you get better - IF you want to. I really don't care if they put in SBMM - i have no real qualm with it either way - the point I'm trying to make is simply that it's not going to have the effect on peoples gameplay like they assume. The irony is, most people -blam!- want SBMM want it because they want to top frag and be that slayer of the lobby - and this gives them an easier route to do so. I get it - people just don't want to be honest about it. The other half of people, simply just want to do bounties and get out without having to put a lot of effort into it. Case in point, last Iron Banner - I was in freelance just doing my thing - and I had a guardian message me telling me "This isn't trials, go sweat somewhere else". To which my response was "am I supposed to miss on purpose?" and the only answer I got back was "people trying to get bounties done, stop making it so hard". Exactly. "People don't want the flawless pool, because they don't want to play people better than them and get beat". That's exactly the same reason why you WANT the flawless pool. So you don't have to play people who are better then you. It's all the same goal and wants, just from different sides of the room. There is an old saying in Destiny - "nobody hates the OP guns, they just want to be the only people to use them". The hypocrisy runs deep in this community. This is a Space Magic Ability simulator, and probably the easiest PvP game for people to get into. Supers almost promise you at least 1 kill a game, and with guns like Jotunn / Lorentz / Arba etc..there are plenty of ways for people who have less PvP talent to hold their own. It's the effort that's lacking, or maybe the will to try? I'm willing to help anyone who wants to learn how to PvP - I've done countless 1 v 1's with people, going over loadouts and map positioning / awareness etc.. and people do get better when they make the effort. But it's not an immediate return on their investment - it takes time and frankly todays gamers are an 'instant satisfaction' or nothing kindof group. I wish everyone the best - if you want to have an adult conversation regarding difference of opinions, lets do it.