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5/4/2022 12:35:12 AM
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[quote]The only reason there are so many hunters is cuz they look the coolest so most ppl picked them and never bothered playing another class[/quote]
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The idea that hunters look cool is subjective. What [i]isnt[/i] subjective is that the rogue aesthetic, in any game where it exists, is incredibly popular. DnD is the easy example, but theres plenty others out there. The rogue/ninja/outlaw type is so consistently popular that you can probably think of as many examples as i could. Hunters fit the bill, and as such a large amount of people pick them for that aesthetic, which was the point OP was going for.
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Looks are still subjective.
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Agreed, but i dont think the idea that most people picked hunters for their look is.
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Not what OP is saying...
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Yes it is
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Editado por Olórin: 5/4/2022 1:38:29 PM[quote]The only reason there are so many hunters is cuz they look the coolest so most ppl picked them and never bothered playing another class. [/quote] [b][i]Dumb statement is dumb.[/b][/i] Tbh you're English is piss poor, its difficult to make out what half your pile of text is trying to say. Aesthetic preferences are [b][i]subjective [/i][/b]regardless.
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It pretty solidly is. Theyre just treating it as if hunters looking cool is an objective fact rather than understanding the distinction that most people just think they do. The primary point, of people picking hunters for their looks, is still there.
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[quote]It pretty solidly is. Theyre just treating it as if hunters looking cool is an objective fact rather than understanding the distinction that most people just think they do. The primary point, of people picking hunters for their looks, is still there.[/quote] [quote]The only reason there are so many hunters is cuz they look the coolest so most ppl picked them and never bothered playing another class [/quote] https://www.google.com/search?q=subjective%20meaning&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
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Editado por Dredgen Truth: 5/4/2022 10:31:22 AMYou can say that someone liking something is subjective, but still make objective judgements about those subjective points. For example, its a fact that coke is generally preferred to pepsi. Its a subjective thing, based on taste, but it is objective fact that it is true. I am arguing that people generally prefer hunters aesthetics, because in any game that has a rogue aesthetic it is always the most popular. You dont even need to look far to find examples of this. Thats not subjective, even though it is judging peoples subjective feelings.
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Editado por Olórin: 5/4/2022 10:37:00 AMYouve just gone back and forth to justify something that does not correlate to your views, the same OP has, only difference is that OP cant spell. Popularity is based on a multitude of variables, not looks, thats a personal preference regardless. If the Hunter class was truly dogshit ans worse out of the three classes, then people will infact switch to other classes, regardless if they look like a bunch of spandex wearing discount 1940's version of Batmen. ^ Subjective view btw.
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I disagree, flat out. I guarantee you that if hunters [i]sucked[/i], the majority of people playing them now would still do so. It happened with genji in overwatch, who benefits from the same rogue/ninja archetype. It happens with assassin classes in various mobas/rpg's. The aesthetic carries them. Again, you dont have to look far for examples of this happening. Hell, its even happened with hunters. Y1d1, they served 0 purpose in pve. Did literally nothing of value, still the most popular class.
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Editado por Olórin: 5/4/2022 10:50:54 AM[quote]I disagree, flat out. I guarantee you that if hunters [i]sucked[/i], the majority of people playing them now would still do so.[/quote] You can disagree, thats your opinion. If Hunters were truly the worse of the three classes then the popularity would dwindle significantly. [quote]It happened with genji in overwatch, who benefits from the same rogue/ninja archetype. It happens with assassin classes in various mobas/rpg's. The aesthetic carries them. Again, you dont have to look far for examples of this happening.[/quote] Tf you mean mate, Genji was still being used as a top pick in nearly every pro's (DPS) top three character usage rate... So Genji was still a strong pick regardless of aesthetic, which were subjective. [quote]Hell, its even happened with hunters. Y1d1, they served 0 purpose in pve. Did literally nothing of value, still the most popular class.[/quote] Hunters in Y1D1 were wildly unpopular in PvE because they provided no use in PvE endgame content. LFG's and party leaders would request for anything but Hunters at the time. I remember this well, so I'm guessing any Hunter main at that current moment of time most likely had to switch to a more viable class to play endgame PvE... Thus proving my point, if Hunters were so hard done by they would've swapped to another class by now, especially if youve been playing since D1.
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There were time periods where genji was one of the worst dps classes, being outdone by a huge amount of his alternatives, but still saw use. And, if your argument about hunters were to work for that y1d1 comparison, the numbers would have to show it. But they didnt. Hunters were still highest played. In fact, we had a similar scenario just last season in season of the lost, where people would ask for anything but hunters to join for gm and master raid teams, and it was generally agreed upon that they were the worst for pve. But did people switch off? No. They didnt. If you ran lfg teams you would know as much, no matter what you asked for hunters would still join, and the stats support this. Across the board, hunters were most popular. Pve, endgame pve, pvp, everywhere.
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Editado por Olórin: 5/4/2022 11:01:10 AM[quote]There were time periods where genji was one of the worst dps classes, being outdone by a huge amount of his alternatives, but still saw use. And, if your argument about hunters were to work for that y1d1 comparison, the numbers would have to show it. But they didnt. Hunters were still highest played.[/quote] Genji has always been useful for the majority of Overwatch's lifetime, this made me chuckle considering nearly every DPS pro has him in their top three played lol whenever Genji wasn't the meta he didnt see much usage, regardless of looks. You do realise the emphasis on PvP was much prevalent in D1 than D2, especially in D2's current state. Of course Hunters, the better class for PvP, would stay popular in PvP in D1Y1, people back then thought Bungie would put Destiny in MLG 😂 Likewise for D2, what uses they dont have in PvE they have much more in PvP, which is an extreme amount of uses...
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Ah but youre missing the point. You claim that if the other classes were better, theyd outpick hunters. The same applies to overwatch, no matter how outclassed he was genji always saw more picks than other heros. Doeznt matter that he was useful, he was less useful than alternatives that saw less picks than him. I played through these time periods. I watched more than my fair share of people pick genji and lose the match because they refused to play anyone else. And not just in pvp for hunters. Most popular in pve too, despite points where they were objectively not as good. Go and look at the numbers. Theyre not that hard to find. Ive already stated this, but you seem to have glossed over it. Maybe its inconvenient for you to acknowledge that there is objective proof that the most popular thing isnt always the best one?
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Editado por Olórin: 5/4/2022 11:16:36 AM[quote]Ah but youre missing the point. You claim that if the other classes were better, theyd outpick hunters. The same applies to overwatch, no matter how outclassed he was genji always saw more picks than other heros. Doeznt matter that he was useful.[/quote] Actually no, players that knew to adapt to the meta wouldn't actually play Genji if he wasnt prevailing as much. Unless you wanna be hard stuck in Gold. [quote]And not just in pvp for hunters. Most popular in pve too, despite points where they were objectively not as good.[/quote] So what youre saying is that Hunters still were useful regardless of looks... Literally what ive been saying this whole time, if they weren't useful they wouldn't play Hunter.
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[quote] [quote]And not just in pvp for hunters. Most popular in pve too, despite points where they were objectively not as good. Go and look at the numbers. Theyre not that hard to find. Ive already stated this, but you seem to have glossed over it. Maybe its inconvenient for you to acknowledge that there is objective proof that the most popular thing isnt always the best one?[/quote] So what youre saying is that Hunters still were useful regardless of looks... Literally what ive been saying this whole time, if they weren't useful they wouldn't play Hunters.[/quote] If thats the message you got from that you need to learn how to read dude. What im saying is that the numbers irrefutably prove that they were the most used class in pve, even during a time when player sentiment generally agreed, even amongst hunters, that they were the least useful. Now, this may be difficult to understand, as i know it is for people on these forums, but usage numbers and power level are not equivalent, nor do they even necessarily correlate. People choose things for reasons other than power, and the majority of players arent as into the metagame side of things as endgame players are.
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Editado por Olórin: 5/4/2022 11:24:16 AMLooks are subjective though, different variables influence popularity, its really not that hard to understand. https://www.google.com/search?q=subjective+meaning&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-b-m
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You are truly, genuinely insufferable. So, lets use another example. Remember the dino vs monster vote? How dinos won? Well, that was based on looks, right? Something subjective. But, objectively, more people liked the dino look. This is irrefutable. Thats why they won the vote, why they were more popular. But, you might say, "that was just an aesthetic choice, all that mattered was the looks, theres more substance when it comes to choosing class" Sure, but not when you are just starting out the game. Most people dont know anything about the class until they start, and they just pick whatever is most appealing. Most people also only really play their first character, their main. New lights often dont have the time to dedicate to other classes. You see where this is going? In that first moment, people are primarily influenced by how the class looks, and most people just stick with that first pick. Yes, the looks are subjective, but we can make objective judgements about those subjective opinions. Now if youll excuse me im going to sleep because if i keep this up any longer your closedminded views on this are going to drive me insane. Good night and i hope you live a happy life without having to live through the kind of nuisance you have been to me.
