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5/9/2021 12:59:11 AM
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where are they making money by having co op
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Editado por Bieltan: 5/9/2021 2:03:19 AMIts really not, "Co-op being in a co-op game is a money grab" is one of the dumbest takes I have ever read.
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You didn't read it did you. Priveleging in a solo, multiplayer, and co operative game is the topic and it's incontrovertible. At base level, it's descends to a petty, self orientation of it priveleges me and what I like, then it's awesome and the hell with everyone else. Which is just basic narrow-mindedness. The actual argument is quite beyond that.
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Activities having their own rewards, and high level activities being appropriately rewarding is "priveleging" ok m8 😂
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It's that the other activities AREN'T getting them and that the "high level" activities getting the lionshare of all the new and best developments, is narrowed to those of a tedious playstyle ("elitist") and to those in non-matchmade fireteams ("exclusive"). If you like or get by with those things, it's all gravy. But if you don't, you're increasingly stuffed. Whether you can see it or not it's demotivating and excluding many players, for Bungie's profit, along these specific prejudiced lines.
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So we've had 0 new gear in solo-friendly/matchmade activities? You sure about that one pal? And once again, theoretically demotivating/excluding players [b][i]does not equate to profit[/i][/b] thats the most braindead thing I have ever heard! The only exclusion by and large is peoples refusal to engage with each other, or improve their game. What is going on here is yet again a "solo player" is getting green-eyed over rewards they want yet refuse to go and get. 🤦♂️
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Editado por Artisan: 5/9/2021 3:41:13 PMThe new, best developments are increasingly in that vein - and LISTED. The ONLY such solo exclusives are in LLS exotics. Which being Chumpion focused are a garbage activity, limiting your loadout to their choice. But I digress. What I said, not your strawman, is absolutely true. As far as the general childish tone of your posts, forget it son. And NO, this isn't about one player but about the nature of the game. If you don't see the blatantly obvious profiteering, even after it's been spelt out to you - which you couldn't read - that's on you.
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[quote]The new, best developments are increasingly in that vein - and LISTED. The ONLY such solo exclusives are in LLS exotics. Which being Chumpion focused are a garbage activity, limiting your loadout to their choice. But I digress. What I said, not your strawman, is absolutely true.[/quote] How much of it is meta? If its the best then I'm sure its all a staple of peoples loadouts... right? Only 3 weapons come to mind. Now, how many solo-obtainable pieces of gear sit in the meta? You wont address that as it undermines your assertion of "best". You'll just call it a strawman as you cant refute it. And you call [i]me[/i] childish. [quote]As far as the general childish tone of your posts, forget it son. And NO, this isn't about one player but about the nature of the game. If you don't see the blatantly obvious profiteering, even after it's been spelt out to you - which you couldn't read - that's on you.[/quote] You spelled out what you thought, I told you how your logic is... well... ridiculous quite frankly. I read what you wrote, you refuse to accept common sense - that pushing away players is counter-productive to...well... everything. All the while bellyaching that co-op players actually get [i]something[/i] in a largely co-op game.
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Read the post. Big Ones is BY FAR the best perk available. And available and ONLY available in every Adept weapon. Desperado BY FAR the best perk and PR available. The only viable 180. The best kinetic PvE shotgun. The best PvE sniper in slot. So how much of it? All of those. What's soloable isn't exclusively so - aside from what I already mentioned LLS, so it's an irrelevant point. No you didn't get the point or the argument so you started with the bRaInDeD stupidity - that was what was pointed out, certainly not your ....logic. I already explained how and why it works READ IT. Again, and for the last time, not we get something in coop but the exclusivity and elitism in getting the lionshare of the new and best developments - as listed. As your refusing to even read even the early points, I won't be reading any further of your posts here - it's wasting my time as a result.
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Big Ones is good... but by far? Nah. You've still only put forth a handful of things. You're also dancing around how much is obtainable for solos and flat out refusing to address how putting co-op in a co-op game is a cash grab. Read the thread. You and OP are <ironically> on your own here. Cant wait for Bungie to add in yet more good loot that solos can get and co-op players wont lose their minds about it. If only the inverse were true. You're tiresome. Buh-bye 👋
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GMs were widely slammed for not being rewarding enough. And they werent. Now that they are, its a money grab. Yeesh. And its not like I dont have to fly solo each season just to get the new Exotics. But.... once again we're playing a co-op focused game, there will be things only acquirable through co-op play. Just like how some things are only acquirable through PvP. Not everything should be acquirable everywhere. Anthem did that and it was absolutely horrific. Dull loot system in a desperately poor looter.
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The game should never been all about one playstyle. For those who like cooperative play and like tedious/gradual playstyle. The issue isn't there's co-op play but that it's putting call the new, best developments into that pool at the expense of impoverishment of the rest. Co-op play isn't intrinsically better or more difficult that it should be given not merely most exclusives but unquestionably better and more versatile versions than for others. That's not benefitting the customer, it's benefitting their pockets. Anthem was a true next-gen game but of all it's many problems, this wasn't one of them.
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[quote]The game should never been all about one playstyle. For those who like cooperative play and like tedious/gradual playstyle.[/quote] Its not, it caters to a wide variety of gamers whilst being a co-op game at heart. Its always been like this. [quote]The issue isn't there's co-op play but that it's putting call the new, best developments into that pool at the expense of impoverishment of the rest.[/quote] IMPOVERISHMENT 😂😂😂😂😂😂 The overwhelming amount of meta, not to mention new, gear is obtainable solo. This is a ludicrous over reaction. [quote]Co-op play isn't intrinsically better or more difficult that it should be given not merely most exclusives but unquestionably better and more versatile versions than for others. That's not benefitting the customer, it's benefitting their pockets. Anthem was a true next-gen game but of all it's many problems, this wasn't one of them.[/quote] Once again, demotivating and excluding players serves to drive them away. Thats not an action that lines their pockets, I dont know why you keep repeating this hare-brained argument. Anthem was soulless and its loot felt ridiculously bland, its endgame was utterly pointless as you could get the same stuff out on patrol... should people not be rewarded for beating higher difficulty content? 🤔
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It serves them to do so, as I explained. They obtain more participation and so MONEY from co-op that way that offsets any losses from whom they discriminate against. It's simply a net gain. If you don't see that, you haven't even started engaging your brain on the obvious. The issue is NOT whether they privelege for profit, which is a no-brainer, but in how much it is shifting that way. On Anthem, not only isn't this that scenario - which is the increasing elitism and exclusivity to coop to much of the new, best perks, mods and loot but Legendary gear dropped from GM levels. This isn't Anthem.
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Pushing away a whole sect of players isnt profitable. It just isnt. Its less players playing, less people buying DLCs, less people potentially buying shit from Eververse... solo players arent gonna go pester friends to get the game [i]because they want to play solo.[/i] You're missing the wood for the trees here, big time. And then theres the asinine take of wanting a homogenised loot pool [b][i]ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ[/i][/b] having to play different facets of a game in order to get everything is just... well... [i]normal.[/i] Its not problematic until Destiny does it 🤔
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I just can’t with this guy anymore. He wants all the loot available where he plays. Anything else is elitism or a money grab. No reasoning with him. Instead of taking time to argue with him anymore I’m going to go find a group on this app and go bang out a gm.
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I got 3 of my pals their Conqueror titles last night. Feelsgood 😁
