Its not like hunters dont have it

[quote]Its not like hunters dont have it[/quote] Well no Hunters don’t have an instant freeze ability (unless we count grenades). Two abilities are required to freeze things with your melee as a Hunter. So no, Hunters don’t have an instant freeze melee, nor do they need one.

Those shurikans can be thrown at the same time you know that right?

Oh I know, but that still requires two abilities does it not? Kinda hard to throw 2 shurikens quickly if you only have one charged. So if I only had one shuriken and nothing else it wouldn’t freeze the enemy. So it’s not an instant freeze ability. I’m not denying the strength of the melee ability at all. It’s crazy strong and definitely needs to be addressed. That being said it’s not instant freeze ability.

Ever heard of... mmmm idk frostees? Or, or mabye gamblers dodge? You know the ability that hunters mash every time they see another player? Or how, idk strength mods?????

[quote]Ever heard of... mmmm idk frostees? Or, or mabye gamblers dodge? You know the ability that hunters mash every time they see another player? Or how, idk strength mods?????[/quote] Doesn’t matter. Read what I said again and please read it carefully. If you only had a single shuriken up, and [b]nothing else[/b] (meaning you’re dodge isn’t up. Though it wouldn’t matter since you’d still be using 2 abilities), would it freeze a full health enemy? No? Then it’s not an instant freeze kill. It’s that simple. Gamblers/Frostees/strength mods literally defeats your point since you’re basically needing to get two abilities to freeze, this not making it an insta freeze. You managed to miss the point of the conversation entirely.

How about 3 enemies? What about 4? Do you think it’s rare for a hunter to throw 1 shuriken down an alley in trials and get a teamwipe? I’m genuinely curious. I play warlock and have to play smart and know when to push with my team. I go on a hunter and just start mashing buttons up to game 5 where I am forced to camp by 3 stasis hunters who get their duskfield made back every 40 seconds with frostees. BUT TITAN STASIS IS WORST RIGHT??

[quote]How about 3 enemies? What about 4? Do you think it’s rare for a hunter to throw 1 shuriken down an alley in trials and get a teamwipe? I’m genuinely curious. I play warlock and have to play smart and know when to push with my team. I go on a hunter and just start mashing buttons up to game 5 where I am forced to camp by 3 stasis hunters who get their duskfield made back every 40 seconds with frostees. BUT TITAN STASIS IS WORST RIGHT??[/quote] Well yes that is rare. You’d need to have that entire team be relatively weak and standing close to one another with no cover in between any of them. I play Warlock too sometimes, and I often find my doing better than I do on my Hunter despite using Nova Warp (which is according to most Warlocks the worst subclass path in the game). I hopped on my friends Warlock and got to legend using the nerfed Shadebinder and Nova Warp the whole way through. It’s not that difficult to play Warlock, you guys just make it seem that way. It’s not even remotely close to difficult. As far as my gameplay goes with these to classes they’re basically the same in terms of ease of use. In fact the only reason I “main” Hunter is be a I don’t have the time to play two characters all the time and Hunter is what I started with. Also Hunters using frostees to get Dudkfiked back quick is terrible but Double duskfield Titans are fine? Either way I never said that I thought revenant didn’t need a nerf. I’ve stayed the opposite enough times already. I’m just saying that people often say a lot of untrue things about it.

No you don’t. The shuriken does 91 damage. 91+91=18 plus shatter. 3 frozen guys with 18 health vs 3 revenant hunters full health felwinter in hand. Frozen guys got that one

[quote]No you don’t. The shuriken does 91 damage. 91+91=18 plus shatter. 3 frozen guys with 18 health vs 3 revenant hunters full health felwinter in hand. Frozen guys got that one[/quote] First off you said that they threw one shiriken and got a team kill but know you’re switching it to double melee. Interesting. Second, Where did the shatter damage come from? For withering blade the Shatter damage only applies when you shuriken hits a frozen target. For what you’re saying to happen, you would need to freeze on the first shuriken, the use the second one to shatter. Anyway I still think that it shouldn’t do 91 to the body, and it should be addressed. I’ve said this several times in the past already. Third, where are you even trying to take this conversation? The initial topic of the conversation was whether or not Wither blade is an instant freeze or not. I don’t know what your talking about all these other things. If you’re trying to convince me that revenant needs a nerf, then you’re wasting your time since I already said that I’m all for a nerf to revenant.