So, just to get this straight. Sun-setting was necessary so that we would have a reason to chase "new" loot, and to remove "power" from the game, so that we had something to grind. Oh, and our old gear would be usable in all but the most difficult activities. That was the pitch, right? And the concerns were: 1. All seasonal content is light dependent, so sun-setting would affect pretty much the entire game. 2. Without substantive changes to the available loot, or the "new" gear, the player has nothing to gain from sun-setting. 3. Having re-issues without the ability to infuse old gear, just makes the hamster wheel feel pointless. 4. The whole upgrade/progression system becomes an exercise in futility because seasonal cap increases mean that we basically have to abandon our gear at the start of a season anyway. 5. What happens when they still have to balance/nerf, so the capped items become irrelevant regardless. So, um, yeah. WTH Bungie? I am in no way complaining about the substance of the new destinations, nor the story(less compelling Forsaken anyone?). But how in the -blam!-, do you introduce a system like sun-setting, then COMPLETELY -blam!- up the loot for a major expansion? No vendor refresh. VERY limited amount of "new" gear. Dropping year 1 faction gear into the loot pool as what seems to be the main sets? So, now, not only are we getting shit that we already have/had. You basically negated all of the time that went into getting a full faction set. So now, my Titan, who was always New Monarchy, just randomly gets Future war cult gear? So the choices we made(that actually made the game more interesting) are just moot. But not for any lore reason. Nope, you needed filler loot. You literally just needed filler loot. Hell, Warmind, Undying, Drifter, etc... ANY of those places would have made better(still lazy, but better), world drop loot. So where are the supporters now? Bungie did EXACTLY what the detractors said they would do. You still think this was the way to go? Europa is cool. The story is meh. The cost per season is fine. This is purely about the shittyest of shitty design decisions regarding loot. Cheers.