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Questions about Eris

How is Eris alive for so many centuries without a ghost? How can she be on the moon's surface without a helmet? There's no atmosphere there. These 2 questions always come to mind.
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  • Editado por PhNx Hellfire: 6/21/2020 10:23:51 PM
    [quote]How is Eris alive for so many centuries without a ghost?[/quote] Hive magic took her years to learn in the dark. Her ghost being lost was just the beginning for that journey. There is a lot of theories about how she can do what she does, but the end result is still the same: knowledge from her fireteam was shared with her, she acquired her eyes to see in the dark, and she currently utilizes magic to do a lot of things. [quote]How can she be on the moon's surface without a helmet? There's no atmosphere there.[/quote] Biochemistry isn't something we know about in Destiny. That's one theory about guardian genetic makeup. The other is a guardian utilizing hive magic gains traits similar to them through a transference capacity. Again, we don't know anything regarding this. The important thing is she is more than capable through her lifetime being tripled under older golden age information to eventually die.

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  • She made a wish on that Ahamkara bone she carries to survive in the tunnels of Luna. In a twisted wish(of course) she became partly the thing she hates most. The Hive don't need helmets, so Eris doesn't either.

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    • [quote]How is Eris alive for so many centuries without a ghost? How can she be on the moon's surface without a helmet? There's no atmosphere there. These 2 questions always come to mind.[/quote] When the Traveler arrived in our system; Lots of things happened. A Guardian Rises cutscene: [quote] We called it the Traveler, and its arrival changed us forever. Great cities were built on Mars and Venus. Mercury became a garden world. Human lifespan tripled. It was a time of miracles.[/quote] Golden Age grimoire card: [quote] The Traveler changed everything. It reshaped our solar system as decisively as it shattered our scientific and philosophical frameworks. To our ancestors it must have been a hammerblow - a glimpse beyond the horizon of expected possibility and into a realm of transcendent power. The Traveler kindled the Golden Age. But we built it. We remember this with pride, even after so much else has been lost. We settled our solar system and filled it with our work. Today Cryptarchs and scholars work to distill the legends of the Golden Age into truth. We know that humans lived longer, flew further, and knew more. We know that countless ancient diseases and hatreds were extinguished forever. Human aspiration gives birth to vast engineering projects, sweeping social movements, and even new forms of life. The Golden Age was not without challenges. Sources speak of internal strife, philosophical rifts- particularly around questions of machine intelligence and 'mind forking' - and enduring scientific enigmas. But humanity and its machine children tackled these problems with pride, vigor, and a contagious sense of pluralist compassion.[/quote] As for the “how can she survive on Luna?” part; Ghost Fragment: Human 4 — From the diaries of Commander Jacob Hardy, pilot, Ares One: [quote] [b]Three human beings stood on a high ridge and saw the shape of the future. Saw rain strike a millennia-old desert. Felt the air sweeten with oxygen and warm water and the beginnings of life.[/b] I am sometimes asked if I felt something die. The end of the era of human self-sufficiency. I don't know how to answer that question. I do know that I was changed. Nobody could experience that kind of wonder and remain unchanged. The decades since have proven that to me. I knew I'd never fly another mission like that. I recognized the need for a new love. That's why I threw my fresh cognitive skills into understanding the Traveler. [b]How can one entity so quickly and utterly remake an entire world? [/b]Fifty years later, I'm conversant in high mathematics, particularly topological thoughts and the slippery irreality of Light. [b]I'm involved in a project to study the Traveler's terraforming actions right now.[/b] But I still enjoy the interviews. I like going back to that mission. It makes me unspeakably happy to see how well it all turned out. And it makes me happy to remember I was there.[/quote] Many of the planets had been redefined by new elements and ways that allowed for our survival. Note how Sloane can breathe without any apparatus; even during the Red War campaign where she was Lightless. Same for Zavala during that time frame. And Asher Mir on Io. And Brother Vance on Mercury. And he isn’t even a Lightbarer. Petra our in the Tangled Shore. All of these areas had been terraformed by the Traveler to contain Oxygen, which allowed humanity to breathe.

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      • Editado por Grays_KS27: 6/21/2020 3:43:42 PM
        Eris was only in the Hellmouth for years, decades at most. Twilight Gap only happened a few decades ago, and the Great Disaster didn’t happen until awhile after that. We still don’t know the specifics of how she survived, but we know it was mostly due to her transformation (which was supposedly done with an Ahamkara wish) and by hiding from the Hive. We don’t know if she has to eat anymore. On a related note, the Hive consider Thrall ash to be a delicacy. Bungie doesn’t seem to be paying attention to breathing on the Moon. We know for fact that humanity still needed space suits to survive out there at the end of the Golden Age. But we’ve seen Ikora and Eris on the Moon without helmets, so we’re just chalking them up to a mistake. They should have died from cold and the vacuum of space. This isn’t even the first problem of this sort to appear. Cabal can’t be exposed to the low air pressure of Earth or they’ll die, yet Ghaul walks around with his head exposed. This mistake with Ghaul is even more frustrating because in Forsaken we even got accurate lore of a Legionary dying when he used his helmet’s emergency medical release in the Black Garden. Plus Eris has been seen walking around in one of the Dreadnaught’s balconies overlooking space, and she and the Drifter were both on Europa with exposed skin. They shouldn’t be able to survive that. Perhaps Eris can survive thanks to her “transformation” in the Hellmouth, but we know Lightbearers like the Drifter and Ikora are still affected by these things so they should have died.

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      • she is a guardian without ghost but she is not a regular human, exo or awoken. she has dabbled in hive magic and could be considered something else.

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