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1/24/2020 12:21:31 PM
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Unless you're a police officer, or a soldier, you cant handle a gun properly.
I really dont understand why so many people think this way. It makes as much sense as saying you cant possibly know how to cook unless you cook for a living. Like it isnt something you cant learn, practice, or be taught unless your job title happens to be "chef".
1) civilians can totally get firearm training. Theres no reason they cant. I dont know how else to say it. It's that simple.
If you dont believe me, tell me what state you live in and we'll find you some gun classes in your state. Guarantee all I'm gonna have to do is google "your state" + "firearm classes" and I'll find a bazillion options.
2) "but eccho, soldiers and police officers also have to go through background checks and such". And? Civilians can do that too.
If you dont believe me this thing called a 4473 form would like a word with you.
I hear crap like "only the police/soldiers can/should have guns" all the time and there's no logical reason for it.
If you think police officers and soldiers can/should have guns because they're "trained" advocating for training makes a lot more sense than saying "well gee they just cant do it period".
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Editado por RollTide2235: 1/27/2020 1:00:56 AMJust for the record, I would like to say that at my last USPSA match, I beat a full time sheriff’s deputy and a full time city police office. But I still didn’t come in 1st place. So the moral of the story is... [spoiler]If you ain’t first, you’re last.[/spoiler]
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I've had a gun pulled on me by a cop, mistaken identity and I tell you this with the utmost respect for police officers.. Your statement is very misleading. This police officer was shaking like a leaf in the wind as he had the gun on me. I wasn't afraid of being shot on purpose but, by accident. This cop was following me into a parking lot as I got out to go to the store, he gets out and pulls his gun on me telling me to stop.. he was maybe 20ft away at most and his arms and hands were shaking so bad he could have pulled the trigger accidentally hitting me, easily missing me, hit something else etc. Handling a gun properly is learned, anyone can do it, civilian, police, military etc.
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Editado por SWED420: 1/29/2020 6:49:08 PMOk I’ll explain the logic behind such reasoning. I would hope and expect that someone in a profession requiring firearms to be more than sensible and capable. This does not mean that o do not believe any civilian to be sensible or capable, but that said I know for a 100% fact that [u]every[/u] civilian is not sensible nor capable. I hope that adds a small amount of reasoning to the confusing view.
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16 RespuestasThe natives of the Americas lost ownership of their nations because they were not allowed to be armed with equivalent arms or to the degree of the colonials and invading authorities, or their arms were forcefully removed. The American colonies obtained their Independence from the British Crown because they were armed. (Perhaps the reason why so many Brits mock Americans for their gun ownership is because their bitterness is rising back up?) Dictatorships or abusive or failed governments such as North Korea, Russia, Mexico, China, etcetera happen because the common folk have no means to defend their rights. In fact, should it not also be a communist or socialist or Marxist value for the proletarians to have access to their own arms so that they can defend their rights against the bourgeoisie? After all the atrocities I have seen or heard of over the millennia I am surprised that the right to self defense of the people is being demonized within first world countries...
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15 RespuestasYou (at least in florida) have to take a pyche exam, a written exam for firearms in general, as well as a written exam for your specific firearm, and go to several classes that teach you, 1. How to clean, load, and ready your firearm 2. How to aim, shoot, and stow your firearm 3. You start advanced classes, including when to pull your firearm in self defense, when it is legal to use a firearm against the attacker, and how to conceal carry. Once you have completed all of the above, you turn your firearm in and have to wait a full three months for them to return it. When they do you get your concealed carry license.
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Did you here about the story where a guy tried to shoot up a church in Texas but 5 guys had guns and they shot him up, idk I find that funny
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A Gun is a deadly weapon. And brings immediate harm once utilised. Their presence should be minimised.
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3 RespuestasIt is better to be a warrior in the garden than a garderner on the battlefield.
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2 RespuestasI don't really understand why people keep whining about this issue. For 8 whole years all we heard was Obamas' gonna take our guns. Yet, that never happened, never even came close. The only gun legislation Obama ever signed actually expanded the right to carry concealed weapons in National Parks. This is like someone standing in the middle of the desert, at midday, and being constantly affraid of catching a chill.
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1 RespuestaEvery non felon, non CLINICALLY diagnosed mentally ill person should have the right to a Pistol, rifle, and Shotgun under constitutional Rights. Everything else should be a privilege. The idea of amassing arsenals for the purpose of intimidation or PERHAPS criminal activity that threatens the order of social religion(which is the cycle of personal activity) should be outlawed. Imo Citizens should never NOT be allowed the peace of mind that they cant protect themselves against gross aggression of tyranny. But the notion that the Government isnt interested in the common peace is error. They are imo. They have families and personal interests in the security of common society. The founding fathers never ever saw the firepower available today. Nor the population of this nation as it is today. Those we simpler times with simpler forms of war and resolving personal and national conflicts. The 2nd amendment needs to be defined further for the common good and to promote the general welfare of the nation. That said... The horrendous partisan grotesquerie we are witnessing in D.C. including President D.T. isnt the time IMO to ratify it. Maybe that time will never occur because debating it civilly is drowning in the undertow of political and social hate and truly imo blood lust.
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2 RespuestasEditado por FdYAcsoyPKN83gLE: 1/25/2020 7:17:36 PM[quote]I hear crap like "only the police/soldiers can/should have guns" all the time and there's no logical reason for it.[/quote]I think they should because they ONLY use it for their job, and are less likely to not use them for bad. However, I think "there's no logical reason" for easily providing civilians guns and delusionally thinking they will ALL use it for good or protection. Not every citizen in America is good or smart as you.
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you forgot "gamers" and "typical american" in your title
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15 RespuestasI dunno man. What do police even need said guns for? British police as an example generally don’t carry firearms. They are legit rolling around with a billy club and a taser. In Canada the only time I’ve ever seen a police officer even put a hand on a weapon was at the airport because an M4 doesn’t exactly fit in a holster. But at the same time it was funny to see buddy’s taser burn on his ass when he was drunk and belligerent. That being said, there isn’t a whole lot of violence or anything in rural Canada that we have to worry about either. Firearms around here are for hunting or passing time. At that point pellets are cheaper than shells anyways.
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[quote] "but eccho, soldiers and police officers also have to go through background checks and such". And? Civilians can do that too.[/quote] They seem to be forgetting that, in order to avoid jail time for some felonies, you can join the military.
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1 RespuestaWait... but I thought that anyone can pick up a gun and be a professional shooter instantly because it's to easy!
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67 RespuestasMakes more sense for police to be armed and citizens not than vice versa. Why is that? Training and responsibility.
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43 RespuestasEditado por FarCoughCant69: 1/24/2020 6:16:19 PMOnly police and military SHOULD carry firearms. But hey, if you want your country to be the punchline for the planets joke, go on ahead. You do you boo. [spoiler]edited for bad græmmer[/spoiler]
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Some civilians are more capable with a firearm than some police officers. I mean look at Keanu Reeves he is a master of the pistol rifle shotgun challenge.
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I dunno man... i hear cops a plenty don’t go to the shooting range or attend training that often... And I am sure their training isn’t exactly special forces....
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1 RespuestaThe people that say that don’t know how to use guns themselves. That being said I’m sure there are a lot of gun owners that don’t know much about their own fire arm. There are courses you can take that basically give you the same training as a police officer in respect to handling a gun. The question is how many people actually do that or even try learning themselves.
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Considering a Civilian can go through a firearms training session, a civilian can handle a fire arm.
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If you know a police officer, you should ask them about their training. They honestly don't get as much as people think. They barely get range time & they have to provide their own ammo. Obviously, this is not [i][u]everywhere[/u][/i] or [i][u]every[/u][/i] police department. I am making a generalization. But, that said, if you [i][u][b]label[/b][/u][/i] every cop as well trained and one of the elites who should be allowed guns, then you can also label them as excessive force using killers when they expend an entire mag shooting a suspect & only hit a few times or accidentally hit bystanders. It works very well in a black & white mindset with no shades of grey. The fact is, that you can, as a civilian, become very well trained, but you have to make that time & pay for those courses. Look at Keanu Reeves for his role as John Wick, he went to Taran Butler to train. I have been personally to courses that deal in high stress situations & how to keep your cool & how to handle a car jacking. As well as firearm safety courses. I like to take those whenever I can, just to remind me to be safe & to see what new techniques might be out there. As a gun owner or as someone who is considering being a gun owner, the onus is upon you to find & sign up for these courses, otherwise, you are really more of a problem & a threat than a solution.
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This isn't at all relevant but I wanted to post it somewhere and this thread is as good as any other.
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A friend of mine essentially puts this argument to bed. He's black and from a somewhat well off background. The only problems he had from cops was the odd racist comment from White/Asian cops. At about 13 he got into guns. He spent time learning how to use guns properly. He finally decided to do civilian gun training in order to be able to show that he knew what he was doing. Eventually he decided to become a cop, which included gun training (he found that the civilian training made him over-qualified). As for who should be armed. He has always said that both can be because it's all about experience and responsibility. He has met plenty of civilians with both just as he's met some really irresponsible cops. Having responsible civilians with guns can also help to prevent/end deadly situations before the cops get there.
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Pretty sure John wick isn’t a soldier/police officer and he could probably ruin entire armies by himself.
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Don't forget the retired police/law enforcement and military. They're no longer police or military, does that mean they cant carry guns anymore?
