1600 hours into D1, during the first year I had some health issues going on so I played A LOT. 400 some in D2. So I think I'm pretty qualified to make a comparison of the two games... D1 did 3 things better IMO and one of them people probably hated. 1. Actually having to level up weapons and farm the mats to upgrade them. It was more of an RPG type of experience doing that. Was the Relic Iron farm on Mars tedious? Yes. But there was a social aspect to it. 2. Strike specific loot. The Grasp of Malok. The Flayer Mantles. 3. VoG. Still the best raid in the history of the franchise that dropped the best gun in the history of the franchise. Vex Mythoclast. D2 does strikes better. Missions better - we're not just guarding Dinklebot from waves of enemies anymore. Horde mode activities. Menagerie > PoE The director. The actual story. The lore being accessible in game. Public events actually being marked on the map. Not having to run 3 missions in the same exact spot, although D1 did run the areas in reverse sometimes LOL. More vendors. More enemy types. No Siva. Better enemy AI, enemies seem to actually use cover by choice not accident. Not as stale of a meta in crucible, you're not running into people who slide shotgun all game long like you did in D1. And most importantly Valus T'aurc is gone because I don't want to step into a war on Mars to take out their commanders ever again. There's more examples I can list but that should cover it. Two disappointing aspects of D2...Trials being shelved and Faction Rallies being shelved. But D1 even shelved an event, Queens Wrath. Which people hated that event anyway but it had one of the best Snipers in the game at that point. The Supremacy if memory serves me right. I went through my vault today and purposely leveled up The Number and The Garden Spire to 960 to take them for a spin in crucible. I'm sure getting killed by one of them confused some people.

I honestly don't know if you're being genuine, or just baiting people: The Destiny community has the biggest hard on for D1 it's honestly mind boggling. They'll just make abstract statements about how it was, "more rewarding" I guess running Sundial once and getting 4 weapons of my choice (and 1 random armour piece) just isn't rewarding enough? Raids are too mechanic heavy now, but King's Fall wasn't? I guess punching Ghalran's deception in unison is too complex? Going where the map reader tells you to go is too confusing? Forming a conga line is too- actually I haven't done GoS so I can't speak on that, lmao. Plus, Shattered Throne and Pit of Heresy are dope af! I hope they get their own loot pools in the future.

I gotta hand it to you... it takes real talent to sound so thoroughly stupid.

Haha!!!!......No. D1 is miles better then D2 could ever dream of. D2 is a game where Bungie is trying to reinvent the wheel rather then stick with the formula that made D1 as amazing as it was and what made it work. Not to mention with D1, you didn’t have Time Gates and FOMO. And the Raid rewards were far better in D1 then in D2 cause of Weapons like Vision of Confluence, Fatebringer, etc. in D1, cause the Weapons were Elemental Primaries and it motivated me to do the raids so I could get an Elemental Primary so I could have an element in each slot for when match game was the perk for the Nightfalls. In D2, the Raid Weapons to me are not worth it.

I disagree. In D1, the focus was on doing activities and getting gear once you reached max light level. In D2, the focus is the grind for a minimal (and meaningless) increase in light levels then doing this all over again when the season resets every 3 to 4 months. D2 has become an Excel spreadsheet game.

This man had a gun to his head when he wrote this post.

D2 Quantity < D1 quality Overall as a whole d1 is better and d2 is a mess rn. Sure d2 made many improvements, it has more quantity of content. Year 2 was pretty good overall. But overall as a whole game d1 was better. At least in D1 pvp wasnt a consistent mess and eververse wasnt rampant like it is now. D1 costs alot less than d2 as well.

Nope. Quality > Quantity

Most of the D1 glory comments I see from players are silly. When you read through their argument most had only started playing around age of triumph. They missed the content droughts, the failure that was prison of elders, the annoyance that was collecting planetary materials and the constant lob-sided idiocy that was crucible. People seem to forget felwinters lie, final round snipers, one hit fusion grenades and titans throwing lightning grenades like they were flowing out of their ass. I could continue further but I’m going to leave it at the grass isn’t greener on the other side. I played both games and enjoyed and got frustrated with both. I’m hoping D2 finds its path but there is no guarantee.

Ok... I respect this opinion. I see where you’re coming from. I’d like to offer a different opinion, just to even things out... 7 raids - technically yes, D2 has more raids, but a few of them are Lairs and by no means does the quantity equal quality. While there are some good raids in D2, D1 raids on average had a much better combination of gunplay and mechanics. D2 raids are waaaay too mechanic heavy. multiple PvE activities - Ok. D1 also had these. Clarify? an experimental (some consider failure) hybrid PvP/PvE event - I won’t say anything about Gambit, I hate it so much. You can have this one. constant feedback - from the community managers? From the game director who inherited a game the direction of which he didn’t particularly agree with and decided it needed to be more grind heavy? I guess we get more feedback but does it really mean anything? weapon balancing - it’s about on par with the same mess that we had in D1. If you’re talking about PvP, it still suffers from the core issue of still being tied to PvE. events - for better or worse D2 has more events. That doesn’t mean they’re all winners, but yes. We have events. locales - D1 also had “locales”. Not sure what this means. Is it filler? better story - Oh boy, here we go: Nope. Biiiig nope. D1 had the promise of an amazing universe that we were reborn into, with the chance to fight the ultimate evil and with expansions that added epic narrative and gameplay. D2... ugh. Cheesy, cliched writing, TERRIBLE expansions up until Forsaken which was STILL a narrative mess which ultimately DIDN’T matter but everyone gave it a pass because the previous expansions were garbage and it added more “stuff”. D2 doesn’t know where it is because the narrative team doesn’t know where it’s going. D1 may have had some narrative stumbles but D2’s story fell off a goddamn cliff. And just to sum up... No one wants the devs heads on a stick for being “human”. No one wants them to kill them selves over this game. What they DO want is a team that uses the resources they have to develop content that is engaging and fresh and new, and a game that isn’t just the same repetitive grinding regurgitated over and over every year. And while we’re at it, calling people names and putting them into a group you can snarkily dismiss doesn’t exactly help your case. It just shows you aren’t willing to accept that there are more opinions than yours. But hey, if the mindless grind of D2 is your thing, then great. I’m happy for you. The rest of us simply might want a little more than this.

Damn I didn’t know 8 horde modes in different locations was content

I like the concept of the season pass and the knowing that we'll have content throughout the year. This is something I feel is better from d2. I still prefer the set up, skill tree and the way Iron Banner and Factions were done in d1. I wish d2 had more raids and less lairs. I wish d1 had a lair or 2 so people could load into a raid and knock it out in an hour. I miss blade dancer and self res warlock.