[quote] 2. "It makes the game worse because all you do is sit in a well and fire In D1, raid bosses and mechanics forced movement frequently. Well doesn't work in King's Fall or Wrath of the Machine because you have to run around and do shit basically the whole time. It works in EOW because the boss' crit spot faces one direction, it doesn't move, and neither do you for the whole damage phase. [/Quote] No they didn't. VoG Templar - sit in one spot and dump heavy. Relic holder did his thing. atheon - sit in one spot and dump heavy Crotas end Death singer - gather around and sit under her with shotguns Crota - sit in one spot, take down shield, sword bearer deals damage Kings fall Warpriest - sit in one spot, shoot boss Golgoroth - sit in one spot agreed upon by the team and shoot the boss, on hard mode one guy had to run away for a second. Daughters - sit in one of two spots, shoot boss Oryx - detonate bombs, come back and shoot the boss. WoTM Vosik - one spot, shoot boss Askis - move to boss locations and shoot boss Very few encounters made you move around a ton during damage phase [Quote]In the instances where well would've worked in D1, people DID use Titan bubbles which were functionally identical. It buffed weapons making for quicker encounters and made you invulnerable to damage. The only difference was the 19 pixel strafe to get into and out of the Bubble. Nobody called for nerfs to the Bubble because "every raid encounter needs a bubble!". Stop bringing it up, you will lose that comparison.[/quote] Except bubble didn't offer protection and damage, it was one or the other. You had no protection if you wanted damage and you had no damage if you wanted protection, well gives both. [Quote]3. "It's broken or whatever the non warlock mains keep saying "[/quote] Not broken broken, but it's powerful enough to shape content to fit it. [Quote]There's a video of a hunter one shot meleeing a raid boss to death. There are videos of 6 hunters killing Calus and finishing EOW in under 15 seconds with celestial nighthawk and golden gun spam. Some dumb ass streamer wants to talk about a well of radiance that helps guardians finish an event approximately 35% faster and THAT'S the broken thing Bungie fixes? Sorry, but no. Hunters have been leaning on Celestial Nighthawk since D1 and do things with it that warlocks can only dream about. You can break various aspects of this game with all characters.[/quote] Combo blow, 1,2p, liars handshake hunter build needs to die too. Celestial night hawk deals a lot of damage but boss health pools have gotten larger making it less useful [Quote]4. "it's still broken cuz you can one phase bosses" We were one phasing every raid encounter back in Y1 with regular rifts before well ever existed and nobody complained then.[/quote] With a high amount of coordination and other ridiculous guns like whisper, yes. [Quote] You can one phase any strike boss with a well coordinated fireteam without a warlock present at all.[/quote] Strike bosses being used as an argument against something won't go far given strike boss health [Quote]Blinding Wells aren't any harder without them and, frankly, the only reason they're useful in Leviathan is because of the reload mechanic with Lunas while shooting skulls during the Calus encounter.[/quote] Blind well is literally a mass of red bar enemies and mini bosses, of course well isn't needed, there's nothing that's threat. Also, well is still useful in Leviathan for the same reason it's useful everywhere, near invincibility, damage buff that stacks with everything. [Quote]5. "Something something warlocks are OP"[/quote] Never heard that one [Quote]6. "Phoenix Protocol means infinite rifts!" No, you (the warlock) have to kill/assist mobs to generate the new super energy. If there are none (or very few), you get no super energy and it's a useless exotic.[/quote] You can still get infinite rifts and it's especially apparent in activities like heroic menagerie and reckoning how powerful it is [Quote] Never mind that most self respecting warlocks wear Lunafaction boots to raids and have since year 1, before well ever existed.[/quote] Also a broken ability, auto reloading needs to be axed. [Quote]7. "You're functionally invincible in a well" In PvE, maybe. It's a super after all. They're not called "mediocres". However, in PvP, you absolutely are not invincible. It being mostly useless in pvp because of the fast TTK is why lost of us use nova bombs or the other solar super.[/quote] Given that everyone is talking about it's power in PVE, bringing up PVP power is just grasping at straws. [Quote]7. "Datto is popular and everything he says is right."[/quote] Nobody said that, you're just babyraging [Quote]8. "Nerf Lunafaction boots" If you nerf Lunas, then OEM, Celestial Nighthawk, and basically every other good exotic better -blam!-ing well be on that list too. Either you burn everybody or leave well enough alone. The effects people whine about are all a combination of an exotic piece of gear and a SUPER.[/quote] Doesn't matter, auto reloading is broken. Repurpose Luna and rally barricade to do something else. [Quote] the well isn't infinite without exotic armor and it doesn't reload your weapons without exotic boots.[/quote] Still doesn't matter, the exotic gives it the ability to do it so it can and should be nerfed [Quote]9. "Well Datto has a point" Nobody gave a shit about Lunas, wells, or rifts before Datto posted his bullshit rage bait nonsense video about it. Nobody cared if a warlock had a well and Lunas. These were not issues that needed to be fixed. It's just a bored streamer in mid August playing a game nobody is gonna care about for another 2 months with no content to make so he invented a problem and complained about it.[/quote] Myself with a few other people wanted it nerfed since black armory. [Quote]10. "Well something something pinnacle events well of radiance" You're just salty that nobody cares about your rally barracades anymore. Keep in mind that this is a SUPER with an EXOTIC paired together and Titan and Hunter mains have no problems coming into this community to defend their crutches (One Eyed Mask, for instance).[/quote] This point really derailed. Pinnacle events should be hard, well bypasses all difficulty. [Quote]11. "Bungie is gonna do it anyway" Yeah, screw that miserable company. Why would anybody buy Shadowkeep if they're gonna grind and grind for good stuff just to have it nerfed every time some whiny brat streamer makes a cry video about it. Whatever. -blam!- you, Bungie.[/quote] Prime example of someone becoming too attached to a video game. [Quote]12. "It makes the game boring" No, the game is already boring. Well just made it faster and easier, which is what a Super is supposed to -blam!-ing do. Sure the argument is made that it forces players to play somewhat differently, the fact remains that exotic + super combinations are used as crutches by all subclasses in all aspects of the game. It's disingenuous to single out solar-locks with Lunas when Titans and Hunters also have broken ass mechanics with exotics and supers. Why not change how they play too? Or has this dwindling community somehow, some way not gotten tired of Jotunn noobs or sliding-shotgun titans with OEMs?[/quote] OEM is pointless in PvE as is slide shotgunning. That's not even relevant to the discussion around well, but it's apparent that you don't know why people want it nerfed, rather, you saw "nerf" and "well" in the same post and started crying. [Quote]13. "It adds variety to the game" This one is difficult to argue in a vacuum because a lot of us do use Well in the same circumstances (mostly raid encounters). However, there are many items, supers, and mechanics that dictate how people play. OEM + Dusk Rock Blues Titans are still an overwhelming favorite for PvP players. Machine Guns and 1k Voices are immensely popular by invaders in Gambit. Hell, guardians cheese Flashpoint by intentionally not doing the public event (and not letting anyone do it) so they can fast travel back and redo the event a second time. People will skip to the end of Last Wish to farm 1k voices and not even do the rest of the raid. And the complaint is that Well reduces the number of ways people play? Thus, the idea of Nerfing well for the sake of "variety" while ignoring all of the other game breaks, cheeses, and gear/supers that dictate how people play is basically just an absurd witch hunt dreamt up by a guy who just needed something to talk about in August when there's nothing to talk about in this game.[/quote] Implying that people don't want other fixes made to the game simply because well is the biggest problem for PvE right now shows how poorly constructed your entire post is.