What a sad state of affairs when hand-cannons are so over-represented in the game, that the only thing competing with them is themselves.

I like how the TL;DR needs a TL;DR.

Your tldr was longer than your original whine fest, I don’t think you know how this works.

When the tldr, is longer than the actual post 🤔

Lvl 30 Solo grind to fabled on Xbox with a 110 HC and sidearm. Weapons aren't a issue as much as personal skill is. Though p2p connections and whatnot needs to get and some more frequent quality of life updates wouldn't be all that bad! (Maps, etc)

I've been playing D1 PVP again lately. Feels really good and fun coming from the repetitive experience that is the current D2 PVP. Everyone is using different guns, actual skill trees, and the old maps seem very refreshing after the same old D2 ones.

Ace of spades accounts for 5% of crucible kills on playstation. Sooooooooooooooooooooooooooo chances are its probably more than only 1% of people using non 180s

The Luna nerf was for console tho as there isn't really a Luna meta on pc

Calm down kiddo https://destinytracker.com/d2/profile/psn/CaptainCruden You have a 1.2 kd maybe blame yourself instead of this awesome game from the people who made halo. And we need bloom so people who crutch on handcannons wont spam their shots.

[quote]I signed up to these forums just to say this to bungie. You’re pathetic, lazy, unimaginative and worst of all you clearly dont play your own game. Crucible has been the same old stale arena for months. Not only do you not add any new maps but you also recycled a fair amount from D1. LAZY. Also you still can’t balance PvP weapons after 4 years + of experience. The worst part is that it’s obvious you aren’t even trying to balance other weapons and you just want to take the easy, lazy, unimaginative, down right stupid way to “fix” PvP. Currently I’d say less that 1% of people who play on console use a handcannon other than last word or a 180 archetype. No it’s not because Luna’s howl can 3 tap....it’s because people on console can actually consistently hit shots and quite literally actually see what they are shooting at. Both of those combined makes it a no brainer (unless you are just trying to go negative and be a burden on your team) to use a good handcannon such as 180s. Oh yeah aren’t you guys still using peer to peer connection for PvP. That just confirms how lost this studio is. Not only that I heard that comp makes matches based on skill and doesn’t take connection into account so you are more likely to play people who lag everywhere. It’s very obvious that bungie doesn’t give a shit about console, let alone console PvP players because they haven’t given us a GOOD update/balance in years. TLDR: bungie has the worst balancing updates possible. As a PvP player im tired of getting the short end of the stick with no apology or anything from bungie to say sorry. Not only that but console PvP players who like handcannons are restricted to using last word or a 180. The problem with this is that those guns suck. There is no way around it. The recoil is just too much to be competitive in nearly any fun fight, and on top of that the flinch is super bad. However if you look at PC gameplay other handcannons are great. I think it’s really pathetic bungie hasn’t fixed this yet and reveals the true intentions of bungie that: 1. They don’t give a crap about PvP (specially console players), 2. They don’t care you are lagging in PvP (peer2peer connection unlike every multiplayer game I know of) 3. They don’t play their own game (should Ben obvious by now) 4. They just want your money (eververse gets more consistent updates than anything else in game). Sincerely bungie I used to love destiny and especially PvP but you’ve made it into a absolute cesspool by introducing a strong handcannon archetype whereas the rest of the archetypes get get <1% usage on console. Not only that your going to nerf it meaning all handcannons are kinda mediocre now. Why don’t use use your brain and look at the facts on why no one uses 110s,140s or 150s on console? It’s nkt because there are better weapons it’s because they feel like crap, they shoot like crap, and they are crap. Honestly pathetic. -1 destiny 3 pre order[/quote] Playerbase: We want D1 stuff back. Bungie: Have your favorite maps. Playerbase: YoU sUcK bUnGo

All the salty fanboys on this post

After reading the first two sentences....welcome to the mute train.

When people like this, come to the forums to write their first post, a rant post, PvP has made him that mad, bungie are doing something wrong. He'll leave n won't come back, like millions before him. Looking at Crucible numbers, it's almost at an all time low, gambit numbers are now under 100k, forges are totally dead, strikes take ages to match. Oh and the Borderlands 3 reveal looked straight up amazing. Bungie need to bring it in September, but they won't, they're balls deep in D3. D2 is done, and theyd be wise to ditch the stigma of the game and call it anything but Destiny 3