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Editado por karste385: 3/17/2019 3:25:58 AM
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Question to LGBTs, Christians, or both...

How do you resolve the idea(wrong imo) that: “The bible condemns homosexuality, so it’s gross and wrong and we Christians should condemn it too.” Or “Can Christians think that homosexuality should be accepted by society despite the fact that the bible condemns it?”
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  • I could give a rat's ass about what you do in your life so long as you don't push anything on me.

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    • This again? The bible makes it pretty clear that homosexuality is a sin. However there’s no [u]logical[/u] reason why it should be considered a sin. Two consenting adults in a relationship with one another harms nobody. The bible is wrong on this topic.

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      • Doesn’t the Bible also tell Christians to not judge others

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      • Just live your life and stop worrying about religion lol.

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        • Leviticus was a deeply closeted homosexual. God nor Jesus wrote the Bible. Neither probably give a shit.

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          Did you just say bible and logical in the same post lol lol that's good

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        • Wait, how do you resolve an idea?

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        • Editado por Lia: 3/21/2019 11:41:22 AM
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          Because 1) Context and clarity is one thing the Bible lacks, mostly due to it being written 2,000+ years ago. 2) It was written in Hebrew, and some words got mixed up in translation. In the verse you are referring to, It says "Man shall not lie with man", but in others it translates to "Man shall not lie with boy." So is it condemning Gay ppl or Pedophiles? Both maybe? Well because of translation we may never know what the authors wanted...

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        • imagine caring what the bible says in 2019 LMAOOOOOOOOO 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤧🤧🤧🤧🤧😂😂😂😂😂😂😂🤤😂😂😂

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          • Editado por SHDGunner: 3/18/2019 11:48:31 AM
            Buddhist. The problem with religion is that scriptures from all traditions are complex texts with multiple layers of subtle meaning. As someone tries to communicate a spiritual experience, and tries to get people to understand something that is ultimately formless. So our understanding tends to evolve...as our spirituality matures. Specifically? It comes down to which part of The Bible you want to refer to....and Christians have the habit of emphasizing the parts that fit how they want **everyone else** to have to act....while down playing the parts that are inconvenient, embarrassing, or strike too close to home. In short, The Old Testament condemns homosexuality. That the most "fundamentalist" sects of Christianity tend to emphasize the Old Testament. The New Testament still says that homosexuality is not acceptable for one to practice....but also makes it clear that it is NOT the role of the Christian to punish sin or condemn the sinner. Not only is there the Parable of the Adulteress, where Jesus steps in to prevent an execution that was permissable under Jewish Law at the time....then forgives the Adulteress (...neither will I judge thee...) But in Matthew 10:14, Jesus also makes it clear to His Apostles that if they encounter those who are not open or willing to hear The Word, that they are to simply walk away and leave them alone. Which stance speaks to you tends to revolve around what image of God speaks to you. If you feel God is a God of Judgement ....then the Old Testament speaks to you. If you feel God is a God of Compassion, and only Judges when our abuse of Free Will leaves Him no other option in dealing with us....then the New Testament speaks to you.

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            • Christians should think it should be accepted by society, but not accept it themselves [spoiler]hate the sin not the sinner[/spoiler]

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            • we have had this post here enough times already.

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              • B8. Bible says one thing, people say another. Who's right Jesus/the Bible or society?

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                • Editado por weirdboy99: 3/20/2019 2:33:29 PM
                  I am neither a christian or a homosexual and as far as I am concerned homosexuals are human beings just like the rest of us and should be treated as such. If the bible or the koran or any other religious scripture says otherwise then they are wrong.

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                  • [quote]How do you resolve the idea(wrong imo) that: “The bible condemns homosexuality, so it’s gross and wrong and we Christians should condemn it too.” Or “Can Christians think that homosexuality should be accepted by society despite the fact that the bible condemns it?”[/quote] Can someone bump this for later

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                    • ... Well first I'd edit your title, because this is directed at Christians, secondly, this is a little difficult for me to read so I'll just give my stance on the issue, I don't support homosexuality, and the Bible doesn't support homosexuality... [spoiler]not included in the DLC[/spoiler]

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                    • [quote]How do you resolve the idea(wrong imo) that: “The bible condemns homosexuality, so it’s gross and wrong and we Christians should condemn it too.” Or “Can Christians think that homosexuality should be accepted by society despite the fact that the bible condemns it?”[/quote] Jehovah is a minor pagan war God. Hence all the you will worship only me deals with Abraham and Moses, he even has to identify himself so they know which God they are talking to. So the question you have to ask is how come hes now the one and only God? The Jewish people found it easier to pray to one God instead of many, just laziness.

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                      • People will believe whatever they want and they'll use whatever they can get their hands on to make excuses for it. So, to answer the question, no. Until Christianity and everything like it eventually dies off like all the other hundreds and thousands of religions before it, they'll choose to believe what they want. Some choose to make their own beliefs while following certains aspects they want to live up to to be a nicer person, but there'll always be the people who simply don't like something either because they're awful or they've been conditioned to believe a two millenia old book written by farmers, and many will use religious text to excuse away their hate whether anyone likes it or not. But, y'know, whatever. People can believe whatever they want. One god, two gods, thousands, cool, mate, whatever. You wanna believe that something is bad because a book says so, that's not my problem or concern. As long as you simply keep it to yourself and don't either push it on another or abuse someone because of it, you do you. Until it fades into obscurity like what we see as mythology, people will stick to whatever makes them feel better. People are too stubborn for it to change anytime soon, unfortunately.

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                        • Editado por LJShafer: 3/18/2019 4:28:28 PM
                          The way I look at things: The old testament had a whole bunch of rules that specified how God wanted us to live. Following these rules was the only way (at the time) to get remotely close to salvation, and not just go straight to hell. However, when Jesus came around in the New Testament, things changed. Hell he hung out with whores, adulterers, people who were stoned on the spot once they got found out. And he treated them as equals. He even out and right said he loved them. So, I think we should live like he did, look past what people have done, or how they live, and just love them as our neighbors. Treat others like he would. To me, this is what it is to be Christian. To love the unlovable, the cast aside. But unfortunately this is not the picture of Christianity that is painted in today's society. Edit: I realize this makes it sound like I think being homosexual or something of that sort is wrong, but this is not what I think. I think that people are just born a certain way, and love who they love. The phrase "love is love" is very applicable in my opinion.

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                        • There’s so many “versions” of Christianity at this point, different viewpoints of the Bible will get you different answers. I don’t believe you will get a solid consensus among us, as far as I know.

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                        • If you actually want a honest response, it is said that any sexual relations outside of marriage are a sin, and marriage is only between a man and a women. Therefor anything contrary to this is a sin and should be condemned. [spoiler]Now you may disagree with this, and that’s fine. I’m not condemning people, just the actions they might take.[/spoiler]

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                          • Inb4 thread gets locked

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                          • I am a Christian, and I believe that the Bible is misinterpreted here. The passage in question is Leviticus 18:22- [quote] “You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.”[/quote] Oof. Well, isn’t that a killer. It blatantly says that gay sex is a sin. Or does it? The concept of homosexuality was not otherwise mentioned at all in the Bible, to the best of my knowledge. In fact, all of this verse’s surrounding text are condemning [i]incest[/i] as a sin, not homosexuality. The concept wasn’t an issue in the Bible... maybe because it “didn’t happen” or maybe because it was... accepted? Stigmatized, probably. But it’s a possibility. After all, none of us were there. I think that the widely accepted interpretation of this passage stems from one thing- the human instinct to fear the different, the unknown. That’s what kept us alive in the Stone Age, after all... sticking to what you knew. This primal instinct lives inside all of us even today, and we must acknowledge its existence and intentionally fight against it. This interpretation is my opinion, if yours is different, feel free to share. I am not attacking anyone. I am sharing my own opinion. Some may write me off as a straight-hating SJW, to which I assure you that I am not (https://www.bungie.net/en/Forums/Post/251048992?sort=0&page=0&path=1). Again. Only my opinion. Not saying that any of yours is wrong.

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                            • Homosexuality is a sin, but so is adultery, lusting after one who is not your spouse. Sin, in Greek “hamartia” and Hebrew “khata” is “to miss the mark” or “to lose your potential”. Humanity was made in God’s image. Everything about you is to be godly, to reflect God. And even more so if you are Christian, you are to reflect Christ. So to sin is to act in a way that “misses the mark” of godliness, Christ-like-ness. You fall short of living out your potential of who you were made to be. Hence “for all have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God”.

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                              • We shouldn't expect non Christians to live up to our standards

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