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Editado por EzE_408:
2/11/2019 1:46:41 AM
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So when people begged for smaller maps, and Bungie obliged, you are saying that didn’t happen?
Then when we had smaller maps, and people begged for 6v6 back, that never happened?
So when we got 6v6, on smaller maps, what the schist did you think would happen?
Perhaps... spawn issues....
***people regularly complained in D1 that large maps were bad for several reasons...
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You are simply cherry picking where Bungie did something and didn't do. Enhancement cores, did Bungie listen?
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Hell no they didn’t listen. Because that would revert the game to casual scrubbery. It took a lot to get back to where we are now. You think they will piss that away for some casuals. This game wasn’t made for snowflakes.
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Sorry bud. I thought you were a civilised person to have a discussion but seems I was wrong.
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Yep. Especially when it comes to facts. Good luck begging for cores!
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Facts? You mean self serving statements? Sure thing buddy, whatever makes you happy :)
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I have like 500. Because I play the game, you know. It’s not self-serving. What purpose does it serve. I am just telling you what everyone who has been playing since D1 launch already knows. Especially the normal forum dwellers. Facts.
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It is self serving because you talk like getting more cores would actually help levelling up faster which it doesn't. All 3 characters I have reached 650 anyways, and cores aren't necessary part. My reason for thinking you were not rational person to have a discussion was not because of your view on cores at all. It was because the language you used which shows your maturity and your self serving assumption about other person without actually trying to even understand their point of view. See above: instead of this, I could easily say "I have no time to educate ignorant peasants like you" but I am just a little bit more mature than you. 😊
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Because many of us played and were on the forums when Bungie acknowledged they would change the game at the requests of the masses?... They didn’t come up with 6v6, it would’ve been dead had the community not raged about it. You know what, I am just going to let you think whatever you want. If it wasn’t for many of us, the game would not be where it is today. That’s a fact. You think Bungie just decided to be transparent and make a roadmap out of good will? No, they were forced to.
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Editado por TheShadow-cali: 2/11/2019 1:53:06 AMAsking for smaller maps that are created for 4v4, 2v2, 1v1 is one thing, but to make them all only 4v4 and don't even bother creating some maps that are bigger? Yeah, something is wrong there. I mean how could a company that created Halo that had big team battles, 8v8 and 6v6 maps, plus D1 that had maps that they could have had 8v8 not know gamers would have been asking for bigger maps later in D2? Please think about what I said and how popular D1 PvP actually was.
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They did what the community asked. That’s it. Plain and simple. Whether large maps should’ve came with those changes is another topic. But not a single person said, these maps are too small for 6v6. They just said, give me 6v6.
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No player is gonna do the thinking for them. If they did not think of the ramifications of 6v6 in maps designed for 4v4, it is on them. When was the change from 4v4 to 6v6? How long they have been sitting and not changing this? It is just lazy, but nothing else. You are talking like people at Bungie are 10 years olds that you need to tell them not touch the flame if you are cooking? Really?
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Haha one could be surprised. But it is indeed troubling for a gaming company to make the blatant statement "making content is hard". When you have a developer that shits out this statement in the open which is already a universal given, I have half of a mind to assume Bungie today is literally a failed test tube project of its former self.
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Umm. That sounds like Bungie. But if you don’t recall, Bungie actually started engaging the community when their game was on the line (after D2 Vanilla). And yes, they started implementing many things the community asked for. Many things. I am pretty sure they knew there would be issues with 6v6 in small maps, but it was a necessary evil. Give the community, who had pitchforks at the time, at least some of what they want. An entire map takes a lot of time. Especially large ones. Especially several large ones.
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Another question this causes is weapon balancing. How Bungie can balance scout rifles if there isn't a map that can accommodate the range for scouts to be effective? If they buff it in a way to be effective in shorter ranges then we will have Mida meta like situation. Or in another scenario, because the maps are small CQC weapons will always be favourable and considered OP due to small maps that favors certain guns and play styles.
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Extend shoot gun range?
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Can be done to screw the Crucible in one update, for sure
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And it has caused balancing issues. Scouts are trash to this day AND shotgun/close range rules.
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Agreed. However, none of these shortcomings are players' fault. Considering Bungie loves to recycle previously published content, they could have use the bigger map designs from D1 to accommodate that for the time being. They chose not to do so. No matter how many changes they needes to implement to save the game after D2 release, it's all on them. Players never asked for 4v4 to begin with and I won't even get into other things Bungie implemented but was never asked for. It's a workload for Bungie which they created themselves with the wrong decisions.
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Sorry, but what you said is not true. You may want to believe that and that's your prerogative, but it is not what happened at all. Anyway, good luck with that.
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Okayyyyyy. Except anyone who has been on these forums, since D1, KNOWS this IS true. And knows those changes happened because the community wanted them. Now they realize they don’t work, with smaller maps, and generally miss playing larger maps, so there is a resurgence of wanting larger maps. Think whatever you want, but that’s the truth.
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No they aren't true. There may be very well some players who asked for smaller maps but never seen an outrage for smaller maps. Nobody asked for 4v4 either.
