The fact that 90% of the people on here have no idea that they already nerfed sleepers aim assist into the ground says it all. Bunch of idiots who will never stop trying to drive this game into the ground before they hop back to fortnite or whatever other trash game they pick up every other week.

[quote]I am sick to death of exotic guns an armour being nerfed into oblivion an becoming useless. It always seems that the guns we grind for an spend countless hours chasing become obsolete due to people complaing about them. You guys at bungie have game testers professional you tubers play it urselfs. You guys should know what guns an armour need addressing without having small part of the community dictate what guns Are OP. MOST OF US THINK OTHERWISE AN COULDNT BE BOTHERED POSTING AN ONLY REALISE WHATS HAPPENED AFTER YOU GUYS AT BUNGIE HAVE CAVED TO THE SOOKS AN WHINGERS. You guys loose so many players over these issues an myself was one of them. At drop of destiny 2 our exotics dropped at unbelievable rates an took the fun out of grinding for these exotics plus the fact they where so underwhelming! Which credit to you guys you addressed. I remember destiny 1 grinding day after day night after night for my gallahorn watching mates get theirs in raids an nightfalls some of my mates even had several drop, same with ice breaker. As well as vex mythocast ( yes spelling wrong) i remember some of these guns being nerfed due to people in crucible complaining an us other guys who play mostly pve raids etc got kicked in the teeth an made these guns useless due to few in community whinging. An so many people left as you guys are well aware of! An this is main reason alot of players left! Same with destiny 2 due to above stated issues plus lack of content. Yet you guys have hit home run with forsaken loving the new exotics random rolls on our guns,choice of weapons to use in weapon slots, YOU HAVE GIVEN US AN AWESOME DLC THAT HAS MADE US WANT TO PLAY AN KEEP COMING BACK EACH DAY AN NIGHT TO GRIND. so please dont screw us over by nerfing exotics like sleeper simulant, whisper etc. If anything give us machine guns. Hope you guys at bungie listen an even reply[/quote] Also the only people whinging about sleeper simulant an whisper of the worm are people in crucible an or gambit, an these people whinging about these exotics in gambit either havnt bothered to do quests to obtain these exotic weapons or not skilled enough or just plain lazy. An most of us playing gambit have our own sleepers to use at same time as opposing team ( which late of a night on gambit whole teams have them equipped) an most of us either pay attention to when gambit states invader incoming an move to either hide or hunt invaders to kill theman adapt our playstyle tactics to kill people using the sleeper. An most of us dont complain at all. Which is how in my opinion gambit is meant to be played. Ive read (excuse spelling extremely pissed of at amount of people whinging about this topic) that you guys at bungie are thinking of limiting amount of ammo that drops for heavy to counter sleeper problem which in my opinion is very good idea.

They arent really nerfing Sleeper other than aim assist. They are reducing the ammo from bricks ONLY in gambit, and you can still get heavy drops from ads. So chances are it won't change anything... especially on pc. With whisper, honestly didnt even know it was nerfed until recently, and I also didnt have it before. I still think it's crazy strong though. It's just not severely outshining other exotics now like it was before. Bungie doesnt want to nerf things, they will do small adjustments, which I think is great. If you really think this stuff is a nerf, then you didnt play D1. But the Dynamo/Distribution nerf is crap... even though I only use th abilities near enemies usually lol

What guns have become obsolete because of nerfs?

Can't beat them join them, that's what I did.

Buffs and Nerfs are neccesary for a balanced and fun game. Thorn/TLW/Hawkmoon made Trials a one weapon game Sunbreaker ruined the point of using different supers in a match (and to an extent stormcaller as well) Sleeper is currently destroying gambit. Being instakilled across the map with a [u]bodyshot[/u] is not fun. It makes using any weapon a serious handicap

How about Bungie just baseline ALL weapons with the same TTK. Problem solved.

I say nerf it all. Take everything that one shots out of the game. You 'nevr nurf anyting just rbings up to *insert OP thing here* leval!!!!111' people will put the game in a state where you just look at something and it dies then complain about everything being too easy. You need to buff and nerf outliers to reach a middle ground

Make nerfs and tuning adjustments only where necessary when it's clear that certain weapons are a problem in pvp, then add a pve specific buff to make sure these weapons don't become useless in endgame activities. To be honest I kind of think the crucible should only allow "crucible weapons" in it, especially after the Thorn incident with Dredgen Yor.

The thing is, Bungie needs to make differences between, PvP, Gambit, and PvE, so the weapons don't get ruined in specific things. But they won't do that, and since they won't, balance overall needs to be made, and if 2 modes are ruined by 1 thing, they will ruin nerf it altogether to balance it. Sleeper 1 shots players across the map with a practical aim bot, and melts the boss in Gambit, it's not the players fault for wanting a nerf, it's Bungie for not knowing how to create proper damage walls in modes.

The time I spent, grinding resonant stems, and completing every exotic quest that came out, Nascent dawn waiting for the weekly reset to the rest of the quest. Sitting around IO waiting for a blight to spawn, learn the jumping puzzle, ALL FUN AND WORTH THE GRIND! UNTIL!!!! That weapon gets nerfed! You take away from my experience and reward by nerfing these guns! Exotics of all nerfs??? Please Bungie hear my cries! See my game log, my time with this game when people were leaving in massive numbers I KEPT GRINDING! The question here is.. are you here for the new people that just got the game for free or the people that pre-ordered bought paid, and played for a year now? We earned our exotics and they should remain as powerful as they were when we got them. Exotics should stay exotic! If this continues, I will stop playing this game and delete my account. -blam!- it, I'll play Nintendo Switch.

I fear machine guns because crucible. I think sleeper is just plain not fun to fight against in gambit, nor to use, whether for boss damage or invading. It’s just... not exciting gameplay wise. I admit, it can be satisfying to kill a whole team by looking at them, in the same way in can be satisfying to shoot fish in a barrel. Fun for the sake of the experience maybe, but it gets boring quick imo. A nerf would be a bad idea. Instead, changing it’s mechanic to deal lower damage with the first shot, but a second shot on the same target deals very high damage and idk, causes the 5 refractions to blast out of the back of the enemy, setting up some silly collateral fun in pve, and pvp too for the crazy’s. Ya know, not a nerf, call it an update that makes it less cheesy in gambit invasions yet more interesting in every other way.

well its not like they are nerfing sleepers damage its more they are making it harder to cheese, because you could invade with a full clip cross map 3 people, call up your primevil and still have about 10 shots left in reserves if you got the perks for it, its not sleeper thats the problem its the amount of heavy that drops in gambit in general