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Editado por Spawn:
9/18/2018 4:33:36 PM
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Upvote to leave sleeper alone
As topic says....
I die from it as much as I kill with it.
Just deal with it and join in. It’s super fun
Have people thought of tracking rockets? They are fire and forget in the right hands.
As a matter of interest, is it solo players who want the nerf more so than team players
If it is to get a nerf or “changes” guardians will just find another weapon to use, and that’s when the cycle will start, and then where will it end.
#leavesleeperalone
Edit:
This is how it all started back in D1...
Don’t let it happen again
Edit 2:
Great comments guys for and against, remember it’s the best gun for dps from range, just so happens it’s good for the pvp aspect as well.
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Let’s hope bungie get this right, I mean nerf it for pvp but don’t take away one of the best heavy weapons in the game in pve.
Edit 4:
So bungie tweeted about the sandbox team looking in to POSSIBLE changes.
Had some suggestions from you guys.
Change the heavy ammo economy for gambit, maybe one heavy drop per round.
Only allow heavy to drop when the primeval spawns in.
Have heavy ammo taken away when you invade.
Over 500 upvotes wow guys this is great.
Great discussion, people do have some good points for the pros and cons of the sleeper
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I don't understand what the big deal is. Sleeper is strong, but it can be countered. Linear Fusion Rifles, Sniper Rifles can counter it.
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Downvoted, you have no clue what the word balance means
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You know there just going to make it so the pvp/ gambit power ammo spawn only gives Sleeper 2 shots...... This would be ideal and would not effect it outside of pvp and gambit.
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They should be worrying about people who want cross save because cross save would epic. Nerfing guns would make bungie look away from things that matter and all that jazz.
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Editado por ProjectGlenda: 9/18/2018 7:52:28 PMcheck out the stream, new patch, time to grind that iron too let get it!
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2 RespuestasMy issue is not necessarily with Sleeper as it is any powerful weapon that can one-shot in Gambit. The invader comes in at a random spawn and can see where all the players are, even through walls and other obstacles. When you combine these things with an overshield, it's just too much of an advantage for one player to have over an entire team.
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On the subject of heavy, how about adding something besides edge transit? Literally no other heavy guns that are common drops other than that.
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Sleeper is not nerfed yet, patch notes says noting about sleeper atm ehehehe ;)
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3 Respuestasits fine. bitch bitch bitch!!!! just wait for more people to get the two tailed fox. That thing is insane.
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So the run down from my own experiences are going to be as follows: - Buncha' people that are either incapable of baiting out a Sleeper shot with someone that has vision on them while knowing that fact will cry for a Sleeper nerf because they're unaware of the fact that they are being visioned and can literally use that knowledge to their advantage, on top of a modicum of communication. - Bungie listen to the crybabies, while ignoring the possibility that Sleeper might not actually be overpowered, but are people just complaining because they don't want to even attempt to combat it. - Bungie overworks the Sleeper, making it worse not just for Gambit, but also for PVE in general. - People rightfully has a reason to complain now, since Bungie goes from one extreme to another, as is tradition at this point. - We lose another good exotic to tears, stubbornness and entitlement. I'll just screencap this because I know that's exactly what's going to happen, if Bungie decides to tune the Sleeper.
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No thanks on joining in. I like a challenge when I play
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It’s the whole combination of shield/X-ray vision and a OHK cross mapping beast. It’s annoying as hell-BUT I just run n hide like a lil pussy-place a barricade up n wait it out. Plus-I’ve been trying to get the last 2 nodes for the last few weeks (😭😡😭😡) n I’ll be damned if that thing is nerfed before I can go full tit mode on ppl!
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7 RespuestasLiberals want everything nerfed because, otherwise, they can’t compete.
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Editado por Cinderchar: 9/18/2018 6:03:11 PMI think this is a point in favor of making the other exotics more accessible. The reason Sleeper is so over used is because it's the only powerful exotic that is pretty easy to get. Apparently Whisper doesn't pick up heavy ammo -- don't know if that is a bug or not -- and most the other exotics that counter this weapon the best are obtained through abysmal RNG. This what happens when you don't have a balanced economy. The same cry babies who are saying that drop rates should stay insanely low are the same cry babies that are now worried Sleeper is going to get a nerf. You can't have it both ways because the economy is broken. There must be WAY more people complaining about this otherwise Bungie wouldn't be acting this fast. Any good player isn't using Sleeper anyways so if you are one of the weaklings who is scared of the nerf then I guess you have to "git gud" now, lol. Pucker up, Sunshine. * I actually don't think Sleeper should be ner'd at all though.
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I don't use sleeper in gambit and get wiped out by it alot, that being said, I hope bungie decides to leave it alone. Don't let the crybabies determine the game, if you change the sleeper they will just cry about something else, sleeper is by no means gamebreaking, but nerfing weapons to suit whiners is.
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Streamers and youtubers creating this nerf
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nerf that piece of shit, one refraction does 140dmg, headshots 900 it ruins the gamemode. Why the fk does invaders see everyone through walls anyway. Stupid.
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This is what happens when you all think its a good idea to ALL use 1 weapon for the power slot. It didn't even matter if players complained about it. Bungie can LITERALLY see the data for percentage of players using it in gambit. So congrats. You guys deserve this. Am i mad it's getting nerfed/tweaked? Hell no. Can't wait to see all these players that think their good at invasion kills without their precious sleeper. Better learn how to use snipers real quick. 3D spotting won't help you either. #GG
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10 RespuestasInvade without heavy wont solve shiet because ppl you invade will still have it. Its op both for Invade and Defense. The best option IMO is to lock exotics on Gambit. Other choice is to simply remove BIG A55 hit box sleeper got right now (possibly only in Gambit mode? I believe since its pve+pvp mode, game uses extended hitboxes on guardians same as in pve on mobs). This would leave its power as it is, PVE wouldn't notice a difference and it woudn't be an "aimbot one hit kill machine" as it is now in Gambit. Am I right? Am I right or am I right? I'm right.
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3 Respuestasi dont know why they cant have diff stats for weapons depending on PVE or PVP. would stop a lot of this
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13 RespuestasThe issue with it in gambit is that it can wipe out a whole team from the other side of the map, with little to no effort. While I agree that exotics are supposed to be strong, it needs tweaked in gambit. An invader that gets to come over with vision of the enemy team, overshields, AND at least 4 one shot kills, is just too strong. There's just no reason right now to be using any other power weapon, and that's the biggest issue with it.
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2 RespuestasIf sleeper does get nerfed people like the original poster are the ones to blame for this not Bungie. the player base are such idiots but they automatically abuse the first thing that they see that'sts overpowered. Sleeper has been untouched really powerful for several years now. Stupid PVP sweaty and their cheesy ways of playing are going to get the gun Nerfed. When are you idiots going to learn not to abuse things like this?
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136 RespuestasThe argument that I should just “shut up and use Sleeper” is such shit and shows why balance is needed. One gun shouldn’t out shine every other weapon.
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Heavy ammo is already light at times in Gambit if you don’t pick up the brick and others usually leave it for the invader anyway but if that is what people think they would want, I guess they could test this theory out on you all.
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It's the inevitability of terrible map design. We play pvp on claustrophobic cluster shits where the only things that matter are close to medium range weapons. The sleeper is performing, AS EXPECTED given a long distance open map design we aren't used to from our normal crucible play. I wouldn't change Sleeper, I would tell your players to deal with it.
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Just adjust Sleeper's ammo from gambit heavy bricks one brick one shot It will slow it way down but leave its power untouched. It will make other heavys that get more ammo look better.
