Pretty much spot on.

What's the point of crying about it? Doesn't matter if they play on their own account or recovery someone else's...you were going to lose. ALSO you have NO CLUE who's playing you if they aren't on cam live streaming, so what happens a lot around here are people losing and not being able to accept it sooooo it's easy to say...oooo streamer on recov instead of damn I lost I'll get them next time. Blame that invisible boogie man baby

Maybe this will help you understand what OP is talking about. Bungie says you can’t make money off their game. They put it in their software agreement. Then some streamers slide in and charge $750 to get someone a gun in the game. Now these folks are making $750 tax free to play a game, and it is easy money. Some people see this that are good, and they do it also. Next thing you know there are a bunch of people playing for cash. These folks are playing way more than they normally would because they are making money at it. They aren’t playing 2 or 4 hours. They are playing 8 or 10 or probably more because they are paying their bills cranking it out. And they are “publishing” it online for everyone to see, with their faces on screen, and Bungie doesn’t do anything about it. So now competitive crucible isn’t just competitive crucible, it’s earn your paycheck crucible. Exactly what Bungie had us agree to not do while playing the game, and they do nothing about it. Someone gets a gun and they suck at crucible, who cares? But the fact that Bungie says we can’t use their software this way, while they cater to the streamers who break their agreement is total bull crap.

buddy, people are playing every game out there and it happens. and its not going to stop any time soon so running to some tos argument just looks silly. some streamers do free carries, some streamers take donations, others flat out charge. You know the ONLY thing that matters is? Whether you are good enough to beat them or not. And when you arent, the sore loser tactic is to run to forums and go waaah waaah waaaah, instead of putting on your big boy pants and getting better at the game you currently suck at. DEAL WITH IT. 9xs out of 10 you play a streamer its doing raffle runs. you have zero idea if you are facing a recovery account ever. EVER. but good lord you cry babies will come here claiming because you lost thats what it was. its sickening and disheartening to see how weak of mind and spirit gamers are these days. grow a pair

Please save your “buddy”. I wasn’t whining about losing. I don’t whine about losing. I lose because people are better than I am at the game. End of story. Take a breath and chill out. Just because I think it sucks that people pay for crap in this game doesn’t mean that I am hiding from losing. This game is not supposed to be pay to win. You can’t use silver to buy guns. That’s all.

So what you are saying is P2W is ok?

[quote]So what you are saying is P2W is ok?[/quote] What I'm saying is...it doesn't matter. Im either going to win the game or I'm not. The game has to be played. You all cry about who beat you when the ONLY issue is you lost. Play better, win more, and understand in the process you're going to lose too.

[quote][quote]So what you are saying is P2W is ok?[/quote] What I'm saying is...it doesn't matter. Im either going to win the game or I'm not. The game has to be played. You all cry about who beat you when the ONLY issue is you lost. Play better, win more, and understand in the process you're going to lose too.[/quote] Or you could just pay your way there. Thats a thing. Its an interesting double standard held by some. [i]"Well, Eververse better not sell any guns or armour! But you can pay that dude to get you guns and armour"[/i] Oh, btw, I dont play Comp, or much PvP period, so this isnt about me losing lol. I fully accept I'd probably lose the majority of games even without the presence of account recovery squads. The point was never about losing, attempting to twist it into that is disingenuous.

That's an argument better suited for someone who cares about that. I don't. If eververse sold shit, and people bought it, good for them. If people buy carries or pay someone to play for them....good for them. I just don't care enough to bitch. I do play loads of pvp both qp and comp. I lost to many streamers. Not because they stream, but because they were better. Needless to say, I also beat streamers because they weren't as good. That probably goes for some account recoveries as well. So to say it's NOT about losing is disengenious. Because of these guys making these cry baby posts were actually winning, there would be no need to make a post like this to begin with.

Dont know about OP, you're probably right there, but the dude I replied to seems to be of like mind with me - we know we arent good enough at PvP and accept that. We see paying someone else to get gear [i]for[/i] us as dishonest, especially when that gear is meant to signify prowess at PvP.