Good, well thought out post. I think the crucible will settle down in a week or so and maybe players will revert to their old favorites (Plan C for me), especially in 6v6. I don't really play trials but I can imagine that that's a bigger problem. You either win the first round 3-0 or use sidearms to get ammo. Guardian.gg says over 30% of kills in trials are sidearms and shotguns are down to 3% this weekend. Either way it's clear Bungie didn't test the patch or think about the impact on all the game types and that's unprofessional.

Dreg's Promise is really good too

Played one match of crucible and said nope right after. This game has made a big ass downfall and i have barely played it in 6 months due to other games that are good such as r6s, for honor, and the last of us remastered(dont judge the last of us has great mp and a beautiful story i have played eight times now

Wormwood ftw. That's all I saw last night. Regime, Wormwood, NLB, and Eyasluna. Wormwood/Eyasluna are pretty sweet together. Peel off 3/4 of your enemy's life with sidearm, duck into cover switch to Eyasluna. Fight over. Works damn good against shotty rushers too.

Meh. I can't really tell the difference between them and HCs. I don't use either and their icons are both small, so not really concerned about them. Just happy shotguns are pretty much gone.

I used the Havoc Pigeon ever since the Taken King dlc was released and people still complained about how it's almost impossible for a sidearm to beat a shotgun (even a juggernaut Titan). All I can say to every player who got used to using shotguns is that I spent the same amount of time on sidearms before this patch. Just because people are starting to use them now doesn't mean they're OP. It only takes 4 precise headshots with a Havoc Pigeon to kill a guardian.

75% of the sidearm users were shotgunners before the patch, pathetic.

Ammo is glitched when u spawned u had 1-2 clips now after patch u keep all ammo i was using wormwood before this and it was op now i beat autos and handcannons upclose its soughta dumb and yea havent touched my saladins since patch fusions got nerfed again lol bungie just revert health regen changes and make sidearms loose ammo aswell for balance or fix the special ammo problem cus this isnt the answer

I feel like the only person who doesn't have an opinion about the update. I suck in the Crucible no matter what XD that's why I'm primarily a PvE player. Also I'm just not one for the competitive scene.

TL;DR: Nerf Fusion Rifles

I think the simple solution with sidearms, is not to carry over the excess ammo. I do feel that the 18/19 rounds that you initially spawn with, is what you should spawn with again after a death. I enjoy using sidearms, and I don't think by any means they are deemable as OP, but I do agree its overkill if a sidearm user can collect and max out special ammo, die, and still maintain over 100 rounds. That just goes completely against the grain of the special ammo changes. In short, always respawn with sidearm ammo, just make it the initial default amount each time.

Sidearm ammo hoarding is stupid Am I happy about ammo changes? No It has a toll on how you play the game

Nope. Don't like sidearms and won't use them regardless of current meta or not.

My ratio of dying doesn't seem to change based on the meta. I die just as much as I always have, the only difference is that I am getting killed by different weapons. It is probably one of the perks of being a bit of a crappy player. If I roll into Crucible alone, I am going to be matched against people that are mostly within my skill neighborhood. I use the weapons that I enjoy, and I try to get at least semi-proficient in using them so that I maximize my fun. And where I'm at right now, I can usually come in in the top 3 on my team in a 6v6 match whether or not my team wins. (And I can usually come in in the top 4-5 in the match). But that is at my skill level going up against people who are around my skill level. Now when I play with a buddy of mine who is MUCH better than I am at PvP, I just get waxed. I can hardly touch anyone, and I die a LOT. They are just so much better than I am (at my buddy's level), I don't stand a chance. Being that I am not a great PvP player, the meta doesn't come into play for me as far as how much I die. It only changes the weapons that other players are using to kill me. Sure, I gave sidearms a try when the meta changed, and Trespasser seemed to be pretty effective, but I hardly ever change my weapons in PvP. I stick with my Primary as my......well, primary weapon. I mostly use whatever gun I enjoy playing with, and hope for the best. LOL. I have become a lot better than I was in Year 1, and I have been through all of the meta changes since then, and I can't say that I have noticed anything adverse about my experience in PvP as far dying more due to the weapons changes. My very first Exotic was a Suros Regime, and I used it for everything back then. PvP and PvE. Right up until it got its first nerf. Then I started using other things. It seemed that what worked for most people didn't work as well for me simply because I wasn't very good with the weapon or I didn't enjoy using that type of weapon. I try to keep it fun for me. I use what I enjoy playing with, and I play with it until I can become at least semi-proficient/semi-effective with it. (At least in my pond of smaller fish). Must be the perks of being a less-than-stellar player. LOL.