People like you are the reason why I take the few seconds to check Grimoire if I am suspicious. If you're too lazy to watch walkthroughs on how to learn the raid or you're enough of a dick to waste the time of others by lying you deserve to get kicked. Plenty of people help the newbies or other newbies are always looking for other newbies to do it with. Some of us don't have hours in a day to waste teaching, we need to get it done as soon as possible. Respect those people by not wasting their time.

This is why I start every raid saying: Has everyone done this before? If you haven't I will teach you but if you lie and cause us some wipes and I find out it's cause you've never done this before I will kick you. I've taken a lot of new people threw the raid, challenge mode, and hard mode with no problems if they just say so up front.

10. Efficiency, if you don't have the dedication to get gear that works on the raid then why should we dedicate time to you? 9. Most people either get into raids with friends who have taught them enough to do stuff, have read or watched video's on it, or do the raid when it first comes out. Also there are people who don't mind taking newbs through raids, myself included, as long as you; A. tell us your new, B. Are willing to be taught, and C. able to take a joke. 8. Yes that is true, many nonintellectual people in the world there is, but the likely hood of someone who know's what they are doing messing up compared to someone who has little to no experience is vastly different. 7. This is #8 but with a shirpa 6. Nothing is gained by lying, you hurt the community by doing that and word of mouth quickly spreads. Also people like you make it even harder for less experienced people to get into raid groups. 5. Unless you have statistics and evidence to support this claim, then your argument is invalid. When most people ask for experience it's because either A. they don't have a lot of time/patience (not all of us have hours upon hours to play or are Gandhi), B. Don't care for playing with people who will die 20 times on the 1st part, C. Simply wants to get this done asap. 4. This makes no sense, please reword and I will get back to this 3. Your just listing the raids with no real point, yes VoG was the first and best raid. Having mechanics that (can no longer) be cheesed or skipped and having the right blend of difficulty and fun. Yes Crota was a rushed raid and can easily be soloed in 30-45 minutes, and Yes kingsfall is difficult (on the topic of KF, you should really pay attention to what Bungie Dev's say as they have described it as "Raid School." It was suppose to be mechanically heavy and challenging as it teaches people what you [i]can[/i] expect from a raid). So what? What's your point? 2. That is not being a Hypocrite, that is being a liar, there is a difference. A hypocrite is someone who says one thing but does another "Your not suppose to eat Fried Chicken if your on a diet, it's bad for you" as they precede to eat Fried Chicken. Yes they are similar, and yes sometimes they can overlap, but there is a difference between the two. Also, again, people that lie to get into raid groups cause nothing but distrust to spawn into the community and cause more chaos and toxicity. [quote] Your time is not actually that valuable.[/quote] That is a lie, evereyones time is valuable. Some of us don't have hours upon hours to do something, some of us work, some of us are parents, some of us take care of our parents. Life ain't lollipops and rainbows kid. [quote]but because you're selfish and mean[/quote] For what? All because one day I don't feel like teaching 2-5 people the in's and out's of a raid I'm now selfish and mean? Again, life ain't all lollipops and rainbows. [quote]That's called karma, and you can't stop people like me....except with in game matchmaking. [/quote] A. No thats not Karma, we didn't lie to you. We asked for people for experience in the raid. B. Your the one lying, people that lie don't tend to get stuff done kid C. Matchmaking for raid's have already been, time and time again, confirmed as never being a possibility. Get over it It just sounds like your just really salty for not being able to get into a group because of your own constant lying and misdeeds and for your inability to dedicate some time to learning how to do a raid. It is easy to find guides and Sherpa's, go to Recruitment and when Recruiting ask for a guide, there are Sherpa's like me out there that are willing to help "Raid Noobs." Oh btw, no. Sherpa's and Guides, like myself, will not be willing to help you out since now you've come out of the closet and admitted your nothing more then a filthy liar.

So, to sum it up, you are a douche. Glad you're on XBox. Sorry XBox users.

You're everything that is wrong with raiding with this. You need to explicitly find people willing to teach and ask them wuestions. Don't bog down other people's "experienced" runs. I always ask for experience when I don't have all day. When I can teach I do but I can't teach someone that doesn't admit they need help.

In other words you lie because you're too lazy to watch a YouTube video explaining the parts

You're within your rights to lie about your raid experience. I'm well within my rights to kick the guy who says "I know what I'm doing" after our 5th wipe at totems.