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5/15/2016 5:54:22 PM
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Shotguns got their round of nerfs and i cant wait til snipers get theirs. With Bungie's nerf mentality, its inevitable. :) . Its one thing i can be excited about that has a possibility of happening for destiny.
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They already did.
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Editado por vanilla: 5/16/2016 6:03:23 PMPlease let me know how snipers should be nerfed*, I've always been curious as to how one of you thinks it should be handled. Don't give me the AA bs either, I want an actual response, I'm curious.
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A lot more flinch when getting shot abs more kick after each shot longer time between switching weapons and longer time to scope in. Doing all of these would be too much but you wanted some ideas.
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Yep, so far I've heard some stuff on sniper away and more flinch, which would all be a thing I could see being implemented.
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Editado por SpitKing: 5/16/2016 8:44:12 PMThey should have some actual flinch or to be descoped. That was easy.
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[quote]They should have some actual flinch or to be descoped. That was easy.[/quote] That was. The increased flinch would be a change I'd welcome, then maybe unflinching would have a purpose. The descoping though, what games has it worked in besides halo? Im not sure of any others so I'm curious if you know any, I can't recall any off the top of my head right now. But as for the descoping in halo, the reason that worked was the pinpoint accuracy while not ADS, which is something destiny does not have.
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Ya im a ps guy so have never played Halo, and i dont have any other examples of games where that has worked. I only mention it because there needs to be something that carries some actual weight and changes the way snipers operate in this game. Maybe sniper sway would be a better idea than descope. I agree you are an idiot if you just run into snipe lanes over and over. But thats not what happens to most decently skilled shotgunners. Someone had mentioned that shotguns should 1 hit kill at optimal range. Understandably that range is fairly short. Unfortunately snipers optimal range varies from across the map up to just outside of optimal shotgun range. That seems absurd to me. People used to complain that Felwinters Lie was basically a sniper. Now we have snipers being used at the pre nerf shotgun range.
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Sniper sway and flinch would be a thing I could see being implemented in the game, and that won't be a game breaking change, but it'll cause the players who consistently snipe to stay sniping, and make the shotgun runners go back to shotguns. I feel a lot of people picked up sniping in TTK due to the heavy shotgun nerfs, which I'd like to see maybe be undone to promote more of that gameplay. Snipers can be used up close, but unless you do some heavy The same on it, is a rather inconsistent thing to do. Still, I'd like to see the return of shotguns and maybe implement these changes to switch up the secondary slot for some people.
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Editado por SpitKing: 5/16/2016 9:43:55 PMGood points. I also fail to comprehend the body shot with a sniper/body shot with The Last Word. How can the 2 be paired together for a kill when both are shot from the same range and one is supposedly a long range weapon and the other is for close quarters combat. Just doesnt make a lot of sense. I have very little faith that Bungie will figure it out though. In year 1 snipers werent a problem at all because there was a perfect counter. Thorn. It added burn and screen distortion to snipers at a long range. To me once the Thorn was destroyed there is little to no counter for snipers on several maps.
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Yes exactly about the Thorn, we need another sniper counter, which was the MIDA for a while for the HC rounds, but alas, Bungie decided to take those out for some reason.
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Exactly. I was going to mention that about Mida but the stoplight turned green lol Well here's to hoping they make some viable changes and can rebalance things without ruining everyones fun.
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[quote]Well here's to hoping they make some viable changes and can rebalance things without ruining everyones fun.[/quote] Here's to hoping for the best!
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Haha for sure. Thanks for the discussion man. GL to ya
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GL to you too man
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If my shotgun doesnt one hit kill you face to face than a sniper shouldt one hit kill me accross the map either. It is unfair that bungie is biased towards snipers and hasnt made that comparative balance between shotgun and sniper specials. It is fact that a shotgun blast at point blank will kill you instantly and mangle your body but yet a good percentage of the time people still linger with life. But with snipers, 95 % of the time i die one hit kill. There is no refuting what i just said here unless you want to remain biased because you enjoy sniping and cant agree with a nerf. Im expecting some kind of defensive response but that's whats wrong with bungie and this community, some of you just dont care and remain partial to selective parts of the game. Some of us just want true fairness and balance without the distortion.
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[quote]If my shotgun doesnt one hit kill you face to face than a sniper shouldt one hit kill me accross the map either. It is unfair that bungie is biased towards snipers and hasnt made that comparative balance between shotgun and sniper specials. It is fact that a shotgun blast at point blank will kill you instantly and mangle your body but yet a good percentage of the time people still linger with life. But with snipers, 95 % of the time i die one hit kill. There is no refuting what i just said here unless you want to remain biased because you enjoy sniping and cant agree with a nerf. Im expecting some kind of defensive response but that's whats wrong with bungie and this community, some of you just dont care and remain partial to selective parts of the game. Some of us just want true fairness and balance without the distortion.[/quote] Wow. This was hard to read. There's such thing as a headshot, which is supposed to kill.. The shotguns work as shotguns, they kill when you're at the exceptional range of that shotgun. If it doesn't kill, you need to be closer with the shotgun. You're right, there is no refuting what you said, because that [i]whole[/i] paragraph made no sense honesty. I said I wanted an actual response and instead I got some wack one that sounded more like a rant. You proved yourself nothing. How dare a headshot from a sniper kill you right? I mean cmon?
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Editado por Kind of Mind: 5/16/2016 7:04:43 PMWow. You are acting ignorant and totally ignored what i said. I will repeat and maybe you can actually acknowledge. I said that "face to face" which means my character's nose is touching the other players nose (this is considered what you call "exceptional range"). If i shoot you at this exceptional range then you should die in one hit, no contest! Especially if it is also a headshot with my shotty. But that isnt always the case and that is the problem hence specials are imbalanced this way. And OHKs arent always headshots with snipers which is the other problem. Jesus! I stated i was expecting a defensive response and instead I get one that completely ignores what i said to support themselves for the sake of arguement. Ive conisered your side and it is illogical. Im not being biased toward shotgun or sniper. Can you use context clues when reading? Cmon?
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You get face to face, and that doesn't kill them with a shotgun? There's something wrong in that statement. What im getting out of this text, is that sometimes you don't get a kill with a shotgun while at this optimal range, then it's not the optimal range. I asked what should be done to snipers in addition to all of this nonsense.
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Back to the context clues. If i shoot someone in the face, chest, or vital part with a shotgun, at times, this doesnt always kill them. My shots are precise and correct so the issue is not my aim. The problem is that bungie has made several nerfs to shotguns that has caused this instance to not kill an opponent in CQ combat. Before the nerfs that wasnt the case. I hope you are able to comprehend that..i tried to break it down in more detail. So what should be done with snipers ? Its only fair to do with snipers to what has been done with shotguns. Both of these weapons fall in the special category so they should all have some balance in their output. Nerf them so that they dont always one hit kill. This is what has been done to shotguns and the same should go for snipers. In other words im asking for euality,balance,fairness... i cant break it down much easier than that... i cant tell whether you're just being purposely difficult or cant really comprhend simple writing... but i think im done here now..
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Hahahaha wow. So what it sounds like is you've been using a shotgun like how you used to use it in HoW, yes there has been nerfs to it, but it still kills in a decent range. I'm not sure what you use, but whatever it is you need to look at the range again, and try and practice more because whatever you're doing so that the shotgun isn't killing close is the wrong tactic. So to combat this poor usage of a shotgun, you want a sniper to not one hit kill to the head. Now I cant tell whether you're just being purposely difficult or just not thinking right, because a precision rifle such as a sniper, should be a one shot kill to the head. If this is that supposed "nerf" that u asked for, you are in a complete other realm I haven't seen on these forums for a while. I think you are just exaggerating with how the "face to face shotgun battles" you have do not one hit kill, that's a user error, don't really know how, but I guess you're not using a shotgun right. Don't blame Bungie for the range nerfs, you need to adapt to those nerfs and realize you need to be closer, a face to face shotgun will kill if all shots are landed. You are doing something wrong lol. To sum things up, shotguns have received nerfs, correct. You are most likely exaggerating on the face to face shotguns not killing, because that's a new one that I haven't heard ever. And due to the fact that this happens, you think a high impact sniper should not one hit kill to the head, that's what I'm getting. If that's the case, you are an idiot, no other way to put that. Correct me if I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like.
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No. To sum things up. Im better than you in pvp. I wish there were customized games so i could own you even with my nerfed shotguns. And snipers do need to be nerfed to the level of that of shotguns. Good day!
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[quote]No. To sum things up. Im better than you in pvp. I wish there were customized games so i could own you even with my nerfed shotguns. And snipers do need to be nerfed to the level of that of shotguns. Good day![/quote] No, to sum things up, you lost this argument due to the incompetence of your statements. How could you own me with a shotgun if it can't even kill me face to face! Fin.
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You can deny and not acknowledge that snipers need to be brought down to their special counterpart on the game and thats fine. But dont call me incompetent for looking at both sides and seeing the imbalance. Or maybe just continue to reveal the nonsense part of this community idc..
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You can not even bring up a single valid point to contribute to your main claim, or you can be like the rest of the community and say things without having a reason to just because you fail to see personal error. There was no 2 sides to your statements, it was basically obliterate snipers because you can not use a shotgun properly. Excuse me otherwise, but that about sums up your statements.
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More flinch?(too much flinch and you get descoped) Slower movement speed while equipped(just like shotguns now have)? It's pretty ridiculous that snipers excel at any range. As it stands there's no counter to snipers other than being a better sniper. Sure, you could bum rush them and hope they don't quickscope your dick off, but that's hardly a viable counter.
