Oh man I'm done to. You can bet that when D2 comes out you won't be able to use your weapons you have now.because that stupid light level.

I agree with your assessment of The Division....but not your comparison to Destiny. 1. Hands down, The Division is a better Action-RPG than is Destiny...and Ubisoft has only show us a TINY portion of what the game has under the hood in that regard. It will be a HELLUVA lot of fun exploring that. [b] But Ubisoft has a LONG history of making these kinds of games, so they should be good at it. This is Bungie's first attempt at this kind of game.[/b] 2. The Division emphasizes the RPG elements over the shooter elemetns of the game...but both are very good. Destiny emphasizes shooter over RPG....but made a strong step towards making the game a much better ARPG with TTK. I expect future release to do the same. Even though that is kind of hard to have faith in at the moment, given the PvP emphasis of Year Two. 3. [b] Based on what we've seen so far, unfortunately, the game is lacking a viable end-game. [/b] While the Dark Zone is a very interesting mixture of PvP and PvE. This game will still lose a lot of players if the DZ is the only end game. It is EXTREMELY unfriendly to solo players. People will eventually tire of replaying story missions on higher difficulty settings, and some people just aren't going to want to be bothered with the mechanics of how the DZ operates. You'll have people whining on one side (Sir Wallen) that is not a PVP free-fire zone....and other people angry because they don't like PVP under any circumstances. 4. Destiny's problem isn't that its NOT The Division. Its that NO ONE -----including Bungie----can seem to come to any consensus on what it is and what it should be. You have its PVE playes base generally agreeing with you. That it needs to be a MUCH better, MUCH DEEPER RPG, and not just rely on its shooter mechanics. But you have a strong PVP community that basically want to sterilize the game of any of its RPG elements...and basically turn the game PVE play into your typical shooter campaign..and Destiny into a reskinned Halo 2. ...and the problem is that Bungie is tyring to serve both "masters"....and you can't. Part of the reason why The Division is making such a strong showing as a RPG...is that they are making NO effort to satisfy the twitch shooter/tactical shooter crowds. They have made it clear that The Division is first and foremost an RPG. They will offer PVP to those who want ti....but it will not be allowed to dominate or dilute the RPG experience. Unfortunately, there is no such clarity-of-vision from Bungie on such fundamental issues. The vacillate on the big things like this...but then are annoyingly stubborn about small---seemingly inconsequential------things.

If someone can still be so hyped for the division after this beta then what the fûck is wrong with you. So the beta was alright, but really nothing special. But I've been trying to figure out what the fûck you're actually supposed to do in it, if that's how the dark zone will be in the actual game except bigger then that's a shit on our face. Also the fact that this game is the most non single player friendly game I've ever played is pretty shitty

For one, you are in the honeymoon phase of a brand new game. The hype will wear off after a while and you'll see the game properly. Two, Destiny has just as much backstory and lore in the Grimoire. Everyone has a smartphone these days and the app works on Windows, iOS, and Android so there is no reason not to have it if you play Destiny. You don't even have to pause the game since you can just pop open all this Grimoire stuff on your phone instead of in-game. Three, the PvP in Destiny is entirely explained. The Crucible exists for Guardians to test their skills upon each other and improve themselves. I'm pretty sure this one is even explained in-game and not just the Grimoire. Missing that information is your own fault. Four, Destiny weapons are just as varied when you consider perks and the different layouts for manufacturers. It's incredibly unlikely you will ever see two of the exact same guns. The vanity items are definitely a standout feature, though, and something Destiny really needs.

Division is not a rpg.

Love this post

[quote]I can't honestly think what the game is lacking. [/quote]Let me help you out: good gameplay. You know, the third person, marshmallow shooting, 3 step grenade tossing, no crouching, explosive barrel filled, enemy a.i. suicide rushing gameplay that makes a mockery of shooters.[quote]Take care all. I'm done[/quote]See you when the Destiny expansion drops.

In my opinion, the Dark Zone is a lot more interesting and fun than Destiny's Crucible. The PvE on the other hand feels pretty similar to each other. You'll either love that or hate that. But Dark Zone...man I can't see how anyone could hate that. It's so fun to get in a group with your friends and roll up behind people and just murder the -blam!- outta them. And then holing up on a roof while frantically trying to survive against the rest of the server...so awesome.

Destiny does the pew pew better, Division does the RPG better. But then, thats as I would expect as those are their respective design ethos. I dont think you need to delete any characters on Destiny to prove anything though, show it with your play-time *shrug*

6/10 for me

LOL Ah man, you kids and your knee-jerk opinions get me every time. If you actually stopped and thought about it for two seconds rather than getting all worked up over the shiny new thing you got to experience, you'd see there is plenty about the division to be skeptical about/disappointed in. [spoiler]1). Cover-based shooters are clunky. Period. End of story. The division plays reasonably well, but that's a limiting factor from minute one. 2). The dark zone is TERRIBLY IN NEED OF A REDESIGN, as is the rogue/PvP system (which, let's be honest, is the entire selling point of the game. 3).replayability. Is it there? We'll have to wait and see. I'd give this a coin flip's chance. 4).gear customization. This is a joke. Higher damage;higher defense;ability cool downs. More expensive gear is better. That's it? That's an "in depth" rpg element? Give me a break. Battlefield 4 has a more complex weapon modding system than this. I realize the modding system hasn't been on full display, but unless they roll out something really unexpected, it's just another ho-hum aspect to a game that's shaping up to be good. Not great.[/spoiler] I'm looking forward to playing the game, but come on man. Use your head at least a little bit.

This game will be the Destiny of 2016. People will hype it up so much only to realize how stale it really is once it comes out. I know it's a cover-based shooter but 90% of the game is you hiding behind cover and the other 10% is walking, I honestly have no idea how people find that entertaining. Similar to how destiny had the problem of most of the gameplay being you killing stuff while dinklebot opened a door, the division's gameplay will be 3 hours of hiding behind cover waiting for the enemy to pop his head up

The only thing they did better was the inclusion of the lore, and even then it's too soon to tell if it's going to last. Everything else has the chance of getting stale real fast. I've played through the pve portion of the Division and tried the dark zone and I'm done with it in a day. It's still the same loot based grind, just with a different medium. What's the point of having picked up 9 different one pads that aren't as good as the pair I already have? Grind grind grind. Yes the inventory management is slightly better. But the actual play is clunky and frustrating at times. The division is the item manager destiny should have had. Destiny is the game play the division should have.