As for your 4th statement. When a Colorado theater was attacked, where would you run? Could you escort your daughter out safely insuring she wouldn't be hurt? Or would you rather arm yourself and make a stand to protect her life and maybe the lives of many others. People with sane minds armed with guns can rescue 100s. Running away only saves yourself and family memebrs. You decide what type of man you are.

Lol you don't get to decide in those scenarios. You only get to react and hope you react correctly. Hindsight is 20/20 but when shit hits the fan your lucky to see past your own nose. There's risks involved no matter if you chose to stay and fight or if you decide to flee. It comes to your split second thinking to figure out which is the best option. Nobody is sane when shit goes down.

Please explain what scenarios you've been in to know what's the correct course of action? You might think saving your own ass is smart but how many father's or mothers will not see their own kids faces bc other like minded indivuals like yourself took off running to protect themselves? You also stated to not use what happened in Paris as a way to push political agendas. Doesn't every political party do the same? When a random lunatic shot up a church full of black people and the media showed a picture of him standing next to a confederate flag, did the liberal media not crucify everyone who displays such a flag?

[quote]Please explain what scenarios you've been in to know what's the correct course of action?[/quote] My enitre point was that it's impossible to know the correct course of action when you're in the moment like that. It's only with hindsight that we can see what was right or wrong. I guess that went over your head. [quote] You might think saving your own ass is smart but how many father's or mothers will not see their own kids faces bc other like minded indivuals like yourself took off running to protect themselves?[/quote] As a father and husband, my first and only priority will be to get my family as far away from the problem as fast and as safe as possible. My gun will be used to get my family to safety, not to play John Wayne and possibly get us all killed. But once again, you clearly aren't grasping how difficult it is to think clearly in the utter chaos associated with these types of scenarios, let alone how anyone would coordinate a counter attack. Ask any law enforcement or emergency responder. If you want to help get the hell out of the way. [quote]You also stated to not use what happened in Paris as a way to push political agendas. Doesn't every political party do the same? When a random lunatic shot up a church full of black people and the media showed a picture of him standing next to a confederate flag, did the liberal media not crucify everyone who displays such a flag?[/quote] Please explain to me how someone else doing something wrong makes it ok for others to do that same thing? The "I'm only as wrong as this group over here" position doesn't make you right. It makes you just as wrong as them.

I was in law enforcement. If I want to help I will stand up and fight for those who can't. My top priority is to infact make sure each and every individual stays alive not just those closes to me. Shout names all you want. Intelligence and Internet political surveys only get you so far britton. Real men are determined by actions, not by the amount of bull shit they spew online. We have different goals/objectives as men. Your course suits you and mine suits me. Run as long as you can. I wish nothing but health and happiness for you and your close ones. Just don't criticize the ones who have an open mind as to how they perceive peace will be established.

It doesn't seem like your priority is to see people be safe to me, as you are promoting the idea that untrained civilians charge into situations like terrorist attacks or mass shootings to try and save the day. If you understood anything about managing a large scale emergency situation, like you clearly do not, then you would know that the last thing you want is a situation that has the potential to create more civilian casualties, and the best thing any civilian can do in these scenarios, is to get themselves and others away from the situation do those that are trained to handle these things can do so. Now, if you need to use your own weapon to get others and yourself to safety, cool. But under no circumstances should you be going around spewing this idiocy that any ol Joe Schmoe with a gun is somehow going to be a boon to law enforcement or other emergency personnel by charging in head first. This isn't about my own our your personal manhood. But if you would like to walk down this path lets do so since you seem to think that by me encouraging people to evacuate, not become another casualty, and let those trained to handle these situations do it, is somehow unbecoming of my manhood. I too, like you claim to, prefer to walk the walk the walk than just talk the talk when it comes to doing what I can to see others be safe and have a postive impact. This why I worked my way up into a position where I could become a wildland firefighter, and then higher to where I could become strike team leader on fires, and then up higher again to become an emergency incident commander, where I was in charge of all emergency personnel on the incident I was commanding, which would sometimes include entire structure fire departments, law enforcement, medical personnel, on top of the forestry assets involved which could include aircraft. But wait there's more, when I realized the state of Florida didn't value my time, but I still wanted to serve a cause greater than myself, I joined the military. So don't sit there and lecture me about actions when we are discussing ideals. Just because you think highly of yourself doesn't mean that every person in a emergency situation is you, or will react like you. Your job as a law enforcement officer was (you used past tense so I'm going to as well) to protect and serve the people, not encourage the people to escalate a large scale situation with the high likelihood they will only make it worse, especially when we are discussing an organized attack by terrorists, not some punk home invader trying to steal your t.v. If you value recklessness over intelligence then I'm glad your no longer an officer, as you would most likely make things worse when the shit hits the fan. Peace is established through intelligent decisions that go through an appropriate risk/reward analysis, not through brazen recklessness.

It has no effect on the type of man you are, don't use this as an argument please. Civilians don't need weapons, trained operators do.

How does it not speak to what type of man you are? It's fight or flight. I'd rather be surrounded by other men who will stand and protect everyone than the other men who take flight to save only the ones they love

I'd rather not put a firearm in a civilian's untrained hand, most people in life woun't take good decisions when it comes to "defense against terrorist attacks". I mean, I would prefer to fight back, but with the Army or police corps, not your everyday guy. Maybe it's just a lack of trust on my end towards civilians and maybe it's just that you have probably never been in a crisis situation of this scale, who knows. But hey, my opinion might be biased from the fact that I have a military background. (Myself and family)

One man can tip the scale in a fight. You'd rather see hundreds killed than trust a man to put a stop to it. Appreciate your service brother but we won't see eye to eye on this

I guess I had a very different life experience than you, but that's perfectly fine. Opposite opinions on a subject creates something to think about.

Two terrorist with body armor and two fully automatic weapons try to shoot up a public gathering in tx. An off duty police officer (who was just a spectator) kills them both with a hand gun. He was injured but survived and no one else was killed. I support our 2nd amendment fully.

Except in that case, the person with the gun was trained and has experience. If you give in untrained person with no experience a gun in that situation, they will most Lilly die.

OK so you would rather no one stood up against the attackers. Even a man untrained could only buy time until law enforcement arrived. Without someone intervening hundreds may have been killed. Not everyone who holds a gun is evil despite what the media shows.