I don't even give a shit. This game is dead to me. I'm just waiting for the heroic raid and I'm out

http://bfy.tw/28eC [quote]Slippery slope arguments state that a relatively small first step leads to a chain of related events culminating in some significant effect.[/quote] Now, in the article, it also states that if a reasonable warrant can be provided, that the argument is not a Slippery Slope. Be that as it may, I do not believe that there is enough evidence for "Pay to Win" being incorporated in Destiny's Future. Without reasonable evidence, this is simply "fear mongering" meant to appeal to the Destiny community's fear. It's stoking the flames under Bungie for a problem which doesn't exist and will not likely ever exist. So can we agree that people paying money to bust a move in Destiny isn't worth getting emotionally distraught over?

http://kotaku.com/sources-destiny-will-get-paid-cosmetic-dlc-and-free-ne-1734800399. Please post this link as well. It discussed free content all year as well (and they reached out to activision who made a statement).

The massive flaw in this logic is that once you've unlocked everything you've got nothing left to do. Destiny is all about playing the loot lottery each week for better or more unique gear, if they allow us to buy it all then people will buy all the stuff then get bored and leave, a Pay 2 Win model would ruin the game, if I realise this being a random guy on the internet then you can bet all of Activisions experienced analysts also realise this. Take the tin foil hats off boys, these transactions are for stupid dances and will make a boat load of money, if they sell in game items that cash stream will dry up fast when everyone leaves.

It's only $40... What are you, poor and stupid?

Hello my name is mez-crippin and I have an addiction to shaders at first it was just thunder devil but then I learned about chatter white and Beowulf I couldn't help myself I was collecting shaders from everywhere then I got ahold of revenant and well.. I started selling my gear and everything else for a chance at bitter steel I did unspeakable things on the moon for my chance at glowhoo... What I'm saying is I'll totally buy exclusive shaders who cares? Sure I get nobody wants to pay to play but... You already are.. You pay for your internet (this only applies to those that actually pay and not those that steal from neighbors and local restaurants...) You pay for your electric and your service provider Xbox live and psn plus granted its $50 a year for either if you total that all up honestly destiny is your cheapest bill out there But it's not considered because your so used to paying your internet and electric bills so it's become as simple as breathing I totally get why most are worried/concerned about micro transactions But at the same time bungie has started rewarding those that grind this game out three of coins vanguard streak bonus? Nobody considered that. I understand your concern but at the same time deej realized what the veterans thought about not receiving anything and the new guys who got all this gear and extra things for just starting out and he made sure it was stated that the veterans would be accommodated I am a year one vet and trust me what we received didn't hold a candle to what the new guardians did but in no way did I dwell on it $20 new dance moves your choice to buy Just like it was your choice to raid and squire vault of glass gear you didn't have to the next DLC you could buy your gear and be lvl 31 Us that did grind VOG out were beyond pissed about that but we got over it now you can only hit 300+ (as far as I seen) with raid gear again making sure the endgame players are rewarded and then again next DLC they might backtrack again and let you buy your gear and get past 300+ I'm in no way a fortune teller but micro transactions were talked about more than your all aware of nobody likes change I myself completely agree I don't like change either but at the same time look at what's happened Suros complained about-nerfed Valus tu'arac health too high-lowered Lag switchers in trials-banned Thorn overpowered-left behind in year 1 Elitist only accepting guardians with gally and ice breaker-left behind in year 1 So bungie listens always and they pay attention nobody can say they don't but they introduce something new and the forums explode they walk on egg shells to accommodate us and the constant complaining (whether just or not) You can count on sun breaker being nerfed it's already happened with the hammer glitch actually there's a new glitch I found that hasn't been posted yet (; hope you have a Titan (only hint I'm giving) Let the micro purchases happen let them spend their money let it be for once most won't most won't even read all this no big deal I know it's long but trust me bungie does pay attention and they're always watching...always...

This is unacceptable in my opinion. Most of us have spent around $150 on this game. Introducing microtransactions into that is just appalling. Also, yes I completely agree before long vendor items are going to start requiring this "Silver." [b]The player base really has to step up and let Bungie know we will not tolerate this crap.[/b] This kind of crap should be rewards or buyable with glimmer. Hell, even RNG or marks buying would be ok. Let me put this in perspective. I'm using FFXIV as an example because it's the last thing MMORPG I played. Yes, it had a buy fee and a subscription fee, fyi. You make a character and what's this? Like 40 emotes. Oh, it's Halloween or Christmas? Have some quests to get some free goodies. Oh, you want to change how your character looks? Let us just introduce an NPC that can completely change how your character looks. Let's also have some random events every month we keep players interested until our next update (FREE UPDATE) is ready. Destiny's equivelant? Here; 3 races, 3 faces, half a dozen hair colors, some eye and lip colors, and 3 voices. Emotes? Have 4. (FFXIV had 8 voices for each gender. 16 per race). Also, don't give me that PS3/Xbox 360 jibberish. It's not relevant. You're probably asking why I'm comparing Destiny to a subscription fee based MMORPG, eh? We are already paying a subscription fee and by the time Destiny 2 is slated to release most of us will have spent $200+ on Destiny if not more. I'd rather have a subscription fee and have them give us this stuff for free to keep us interested in the game like my game above. This new announcement means we're going to be paying a 4 month subscription fee for each DLC and on top of that they are now going to ask us to pay them more for stuff that should be free? Absolutely disgusting. TTK was a step in the right direction for me personally. They fixed a lot of the issues I had with the game after the crap DLC of year one. This, however, nullifies all the good they did. All because Activision wants all the money. [u][b]Bungie needs to grow a pair and tell Activision to screw off. As much as Microsoft sucks they knew to leave Bungie alone when they were making Halo. It's a shame Activision is all about money and not content.[/b][/u] Sure, they have a contract, but I can guarentee it doesn't give Activision god status at Bungie. Man up, Bungie. Grow a pair and say enough is enough. I'm in a holding pattern. Quite frankly i'm sick of this shit. I'll see how this crap is when they introduce it, but right now I am pretty sure I am not dropping another dime on this franchise. I've been burned 3 out of 5 times. (2 crap DLC and CE items. All utter garbage). They only way I'd support this system is if they add ways to get this stuff in game. Buying will still be faster (which is the point), but if you're patient you can get the stuff you want by earning it via playing the game. Which is how it should be.

[quote]"It's just emotes" you say. "Don't complain and don't buy it" you say. "Companies have to make money too" you say. But if this proves to be successful, it will just get worse. Now it's emotes. Next it's ships and shaders. Then it's engrams. Then it's weapons and armor. If we let them get away with this, they will try to get away with more. We have to draw a line and say "no further". We have to stamp out microtransactions here and now. We can't let them get away with this. I'm up for argument if you disagree with me. [b]EDIT:[/b] I've read through the update again and saw nothing about free DLC anywhere. [b]EDIT:[/b] For people using the slippery slope argument: that argument can go either way. They might not ever add any besides cosmetics, but it's better to be safe than sorry. They are more likely to put in more in the future if we respond to this first venture positively.[/quote] We? Remember this. This isnt our game, this is their game. If they wanna -blam!- the game up and make that shit, let them be. Just dont buy, its simple like that.

That's what I'm saying, everything is a process if bungie notices many people buying emotes they will gradually change what they sell. Unfortunately, there is nothing we can do about that. Lol I'm just gonna leave the game once they start selling us armor for "silver" :)

The slippery slope argument does not go both ways. You have, by definition come to a conclusion way too far down the line without any empirical indicator. Anyone saying that they won't do it at all has also made the same error. It doesn't make you right or wrong as far as the actual premise goes, but you definitely have a flawed argument here. That is the idea.