I hate thorn, all my Too teammates hate thorn, we refuse to use it. Dying from poison a few times per game isn't the end of the world, its annoying as f*** but I'll beat em with my red death or mida, or messenger, or ghaleons..... or, the list goes on. I'm just absolutely fed up with every single game I join is just strictly thorn. ToO enemy team 3 thorns probably over 50% of the time, and when its not 3 thorns it's 2 and a last word.