[quote]I couldn't be less excited to hear the news that another "community summit" is being held. Primarily because voices from [u]the community[/u] will not be heard, and secondarily because the previous "community summit" is why the game is as bad as it is right now.[/quote] The game was far worse before the summit.

Of course it was. You can't do worse than rock bottom.

You're saying the game is bad now because of the summit, and yet it got better. Your logic makes no sense.

He's saying that all the game's problems are do to broken SYSTEMS in the game. Systems that were (stupidly) changed in ways that served the interests of people who play this game all-day-every-day in order to earn a living trough social media....at the expense of the typical player. What Bungie either didn't understand----or doesn't care to understand----is that a streamer is NOT a typical gamer. Not even a hardcore gamer. THEY ARE A SMALL BUSINESS OWNER. A small business owner who wants VERY different things from the game than you do. Because its in a Streamer's FINANCIAL interest for a game to be as INACESSIBLE as possible and as frustrationgly slow to progress in as possible.....short of killing off community interest. An inaccessible game increases demand for the content. A game that is so slow to progress in that it feels like a treadmill....gives them a steady supply of low-effort content. Someone playing 10 hours a day....will blitz thorugh 60 hours of content in a WEEK. But if it can be extended to 600 hours....it'll be nearly THREE MONTHS before he or she needs to find another game. But the problem is that you've now turned the game into one where the guy playing 3 hours a day is now looking at that he could comfotably get through in three weeks of dedicated play....is now a 6 month slog. ...and you pushed everyone else out of the game. Because they're staring up at Mt. Everest...with no oxygen or gear. Which is exactly what Bungie got. They've got a streamer community that is largely SILENT about the game's systems.....or actually saying that they're fine. While you have the majority of the player base howling in frustration . Because the game has gone from one they could maintain 3 characters...to one that they can barely keep one character current.

What do you want them to do, get random people from the forums to go? That would be total chaos. They wouldn't get through the day without a Bungie employee going to the ER for severe injuries. The truth is, streamers know a lot about Destiny. They literally play it as their job, so they know how it fix it. If you think they're going to intentionally sabotage it to make profit, you're wrong. They gain nothing from doing that. It's in their best interest to make the game popular, so they do what they can to make as many people like it as possible. People on the forums would only care about what they want, not what everyone else wants. I don't think streamers are blind to more casual complaints either. They know very well what people want, but they believe it to be best for the game to only listen when something is a big enough problem. If they don't support something it seems the community wants, it's because not enough people want it to make it justifiable.

It’s what Massive did. They selected specific players from the community based on their playing habits. They aggressively surveyed the whole community. It wasn’t chaos. And The Division 2 has been the ultimate result.

That's not the Destiny community though. I've never seen a community as demanding as this one.

The bar is so low for destiny...

Do you think the "community summit" was [u]solely[/u] responsible for the game's improvement? You're the one with faulty logic here. From what I've seen, Summit 1 was responsible for a lot of stuff that has gone over like a lead balloon around here. Summit 1 was at the end of April 2018, and led to changes in Escalation Protocol difficulty levels being raised (when Warmind released May 8) that had to be rolled back quickly, led to Masterwork Cores being changed to Enhancement Cores and added to Infusion, and led to exotic drops being dialed way back. If those are the improvements you credit for "improving" the game, than you and I have a very different idea of fun.

And it also led to random rolls, better exotics, more lore, better story, bigger patrol spaces, bounties, quality of life improvements, and everything else that came in Forsaken. Yep, I think the summit improved the game a lot.

Quality of Life Improvements?

[quote]And it also led to random rolls[/quote] With mostly meh perks [quote] better exotics[/quote] That don’t drop [quote]more lore[/quote] That’s disconnected from the actual gameplay ... and anyway who cares. Just buy a good book if you want to read some sci-fi in between games ... [quote]better story [/quote] ... lol no, there’s nothing more cringeworthy than a plot that is and always has been just a pretext for jumping around in space shooting things in the head suddenly deciding that it’s getting all Deep, Serious and Mature. The problem with trying to make a melodrama out of Destiny is that most of the characters are a bunch of one dimensional cutouts without personality or charisma. The terrible voice acting really didn’t help, but the main problem is that a video game like this doesn’t have a right to suddenly turn around and start taking itself seriously. [quote]bigger patrol spaces [/quote] Ok, this I agree with - I would’ve really enjoyed the Dreaming City if everything else about the game hadn’t been turned into a chore... [quote] bounties [/quote] That you have to traipse back and forth to the tower to pick up, either don’t offer a worthwhile rewards or drop below your ll ... nice in theory, in reality just more chores to perform for no real reward... [quote] quality of life improvements [/quote] The biggest single quality of life disimprovement this series has ever seen was the change in Forsaken to levelling - people are getting burned out all over the place, it’s just more pointless tedium to try keeping people hooked compulsively repeating the same old content, there’s even a thread complaining about this on the front page of Reddit right now ffs [quote]and everything else that came in Forsaken.[/quote] Broken PvP matchmaking outweighs any other improvements easily for me. A whole section of the game that I enjoyed for years suddenly turned into a sweaty mess overnight. And that is why Forsaken sucked, for me. The worst thing is that there’s clearly a lot of potential, but you can see a common sense theme in the things that ruined it - “meaningful infusion”, “we want players to be impressed when they see someone at mAX liGhT in the tower”, “emphasise the skill gap in Crucible” - that clearly favour people who play for a living and shit on everyone else. Which were all brought in following a “summit” with streamers. 2+2 =

Wow, you have such a negative view of everything. I wouldn't be surprised if you're suffering from depression.

It’s much more simple than that. Since D1 I really enjoyed playing Destiny, but since Forsaken I don’t. Imho it’s objectively a bad game now - I could get over the plot stuff not being my personal taste, but they’ve broken so many basic systems all at once that I think it sucks now. Btw, extremely weird flex to attribute someone having a different opinion to yours to mental illness - you should probably consider not doing that again, it could be upsetting to someone who disagrees with you who actually was struggling or vulnerable.

[quote]It’s much more simple than that. Since D1 I really enjoyed playing Destiny, but since Forsaken I don’t. Imho it’s objectively a bad game now - I could get over the plot stuff not being my personal taste, but they’ve broken so many basic systems all at once that I think it sucks now.[/quote] So because it doesn't "feel" right, you think it's bad. Nice. [quote]Btw, extremely weird flex to attribute someone having a different opinion to yours to mental illness - you should probably consider not doing that again, it could be upsetting to someone who disagrees with you who actually was struggling or vulnerable.[/quote] I'm being genuinely serious about it. If you think about everything negatively like that, especially when you said that wasn't the case previously, you may have some form of depression. People who don't have depression don't suddenly stop liking the things they've previously loved. One of the signs of depression is the loss of interest in hobbies. Another is a complete negative view on everything. You have both of those.

Lol, no. I have a negative view of Forsaken. It’s a bad game. For instance I’m playing and loving RDR2 (mostly story mode, natch) and Borderlands 2 at the moment both of which put Y2 Destiny to shame. Hyped for B3. Honestly, how difficult is it for you to accept that other people think that thing you like is actually bad. But seriously, don’t bring the mental health of random strangers on the Internet into question - it’s fine with me ... even though like I say it is really super weird ... but for someone who actually did have issues it could be damaging.