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7/7/2024 5:20:50 PM
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Iron Banner and PVP as a whole is no longer fun
I have been playing D1 and D2 off and on for the past 10 years. This time jumping into comp and Iron banner this past week has been an absolute disappointment. I used to have fun playing PVP and actually enjoying my time.
Now since the changes to matchmaking that happen a few years back, I've notice a gradual decline in my enjoyment out of PVP. I'm now getting matched with players that seem to only play comp and run over every match. There was a time that I was really good (hitting top 500 player elo in iron banner good). I no longer play PVP as religiously anymore and usually prefer Raids and Dungeons more as a casual player. It has been 2 years of disliking PVP and turning it more into a chore.
This is not how PVP used to be. I would hope at some point that Bungie would reset their skill-based matchmaking score for everyone. To help players like me that still want to have fun in all game modes but not having a sweat fest in every match. I know this is a problem already occurring within D2 but I have a strong feeling that this problem is going to alienate the PVP even more within the next few years.
Ranting aside- This is a good moment to all reading, If you are not having fun playing a game you don't have to force yourself to play. Go find another game to play, make some new memories and live life. There is no reason to put yourself into a constant spiral of anger. Stay hydrated and take care of yourselves! :)
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Hear me out - year one PVP was x10 better than current
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PvP has been horrible for a long time already. And none of that will change. It’s been like this for YEARS - meta spamming, $h!t lag, horrible matchmaking …. Bungie wanted an MLG experience so bad and they pushed out their regular fan base to make it happen. They tried so hard and couldn’t get it off the ground …. And so this is the garbage you’re left with.
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Although the servers are crazy laggy and unstable, and the meta is VERY annoying (Graviton spam, Khovostov spam, Wayfarer spam, Clone spam, Smoke Bomb spam, etc), I gotta say, I’m having more fun than ever. Beforehand, I just used the same old grueling sweaty loadout. Rose + Matador on Solar Hunter with Stompees. It was fun, in the sense that I felt like a sweat. But in reality it kind of took the Destiny out of Destiny. There was almost no space magic. My aspects didn’t tap into keywords, Heavy Knife doesn’t either. It just felt very underwhelming to the actual point of the game, space magic. Now I use Hynra’s bow loadout and it’s so much fun. I can’t even count how many times I’ve said on the forums in the past few days for everyone to go use it. It honestly is just so satisfying for movement. I’m using a Glaive which feels like a space magic gun. I’m grappling around with green goop. I’m throwing around balls of green goop. And it’s not just the fact that abilities come into play, bow swapping into a glaive shot is also just so satisfying. I highly recommend you go look at Hynra’s channel and find the video listing his build.
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5 RepliesAs a maybe a little less than average player I was always in favour of SBMM, but right now, it doesn't feel like it works. In general I don't really feel I am wrongly placed - whenever I engage in 1:1 I don't feel like the players I face are way out of my league. In general it feels alright. However, out of 19 IB games I have played so far, I have won 5. About 3/4 of my games are losses. I had streaks of 4 (FOUR games), where I lost so high, that the lobby got broken up. Four games in a row were so mismatched, that the lobby needed to be broken up. What the hell is up with that? Why does that even happen? In addition: I want to point out, that I do not feel any issues with connection quality or cheating in 95 % of the lobbies - that's why SBMM over CBMM was always my priority. That might be lucky, but that's my perspective.
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Hot take: Bungie should reset combat rating and SBMM stats every DLC release. When a new DLC comes out, everyone should start from 0 when it comes to matchmaking rating. Sure, the first few weeks will be chaos, but as PvP goes on over the course of the expansion, players slowly fall into their respective places and the chance for "false MMR" is next to non-existent.
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1 ReplyIt’s been designed to reward high skill now and as such the casual player is forced out or is relegated to banging their head against the wall. It is amazing what you can do now compared to 5 yrs ago. The speed and accuracy we can play with is amazing. But in PvP that means a player who just want to shoot stuff and have fun get curb stomped by the sweaty bois -who view every match in 6s as a challenge to pad their kd and get a mercy in record time. In doing so they chased out the casuals and made it more sweaty. Just the way it is until Bungie says -naw to the sweats and build crucible for casual play. Probs won’t ever happen. That time has passed.
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2 RepliesQuestion when we're both of these ever fun?
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It will always be the matchmaking. They can do whatever to the game..pvp fun will remain broken until they do something.
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Iron Bnanana from Bungle needs to just Randomize 4 or 5 Game modes so it isn’t the Same Lame Azz mode 200 times in a row. Bungle is just a double down on a bad idea company though so another week of one Boring Azz mode 😮💨
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I normally stay far away from pvp because it has been a -blam!- show for years but this iron banner I gave it a shot and actually enjoyed myself. I got stomped a few times but had a lot of wins as well, even managed to top the leader board a few times. Reset my rank and got my iron lord title finally and walked away for the first time in ages having enjoyed myself. One thing I did notice that contributed a lot to my losses though (beside being outmatched ) are players just not understanding how to play control. A lot of the time I found my team just running in circles capturing zones while watching the zone they just captured get taken by the enemy and round and round we would go in this circle. I would try to break off and go back to the zone we had just captured but it would always be a 3-4 v 1 maybe 2 if I was lucky. You could tell the difference when teams knew they were better locking down 2 zones and funneling players into them for kills then pushing for the 3rd rather than just moving from point to point as soon as they had the capture I think the game mode needs to change to alleviate this problem, I don't know the answer but control does feel stale.
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As long as I’m not getting kicked from the game every 5 minutes (“contacting destiny servers”), I actually enjoy PVP now. I started out 6-7 years ago playing PvP and having (literally) a .2 KDA. I was absolutely horrible. I took some time off from PvP and when I came back a year ago - it was a different experience - I’ve honed my skills and I truly enjoy playing… I have zero problem with matchmaking. I like how even most games are. My only gripe is that I’m constantly being kicked from games - only to see a message that there’s something wrong with MY internet connection (there isn’t)…
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13 RepliesAll IB has is Outlier Protection. That's it. It may as well be pure CBMM. Comp uses a blend of RBMM and SBMM, but it mainly goes by rank. What you're asking for has already been implemented. So what you really want is for Bungie to intentionally make the game easier for you.
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2 RepliesEdited by A485258: 7/8/2024 2:08:52 AMThere isn’t SBMM. It’s outlier protection. IB has never been easier. Bad players are being fed to the wolves and the base full of chum will just get smaller and smaller. Your KDA is a 2+ in IB. Either you’re trolling or just have absurd expectations.
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4 RepliesPVP is something I can take in small doses, but ive been playing quite a bit of IB this week and it has been pretty balanced for the most part. Maybe im just getting lucky.
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*For You* I've been enjoying it. IB has been quite fun.
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2 RepliesI've reset 4 times already. I'm actually enjoying PvP at the moment and thats a rarity for me, I usually [b]HATE[/b] PvP. Sure there are games where my team or myself as an individual get run over, and that's probably because I'm a garbage player at best, but on the whole it's been not so bad.
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What the hell happened to this mode? I went in, and everyone practically quit 🤦♂️
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2 RepliesThis week's Iron Banner is the most I binged PvP in a while. Most fun and mostly decent matches I had in a while. Winning good, losing good, s'all good. Even mercies didn't sour me as much, no matter which side I was on. Only real bother is kids still don't understand the whole capture points thing, but I guess that won't be a problem this coming reset.
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1 ReplyOn skipidi, no cap my dog I was rizzed up on skipidi iron banner isn’t the skip, on skipidi
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Edited by TRON VADER: 7/8/2024 5:27:49 PMI Play for pinnacle, i have more DNF then completions, leave when its not fun. You know its rigged right? Bungie even said the outcome is mostly already determined before the game starts so......
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Edited by ΜΟΛΩΝ ΛΑΒΕ: 7/8/2024 9:25:32 PMThe connectivity is horrible. Every other game, players are blinking all over the map. Lobby balancing is just ***. The lag is so bad, I’ve emptied entire mags into stasis frozen players and they still don’t die.
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I just can't be bothered to play IB or any PVP this season. I don't enjoy the season and got very little enjoyment from the mediocre DLC that Bungie paid everyone to give a soft review, so why would I care enough to go after those pinnacles? I don't care what the streamers are claiming about Claws of the Wolf while they sit in their Bungie chairs wearing their Bungie shirts and hats using all the little secrets Bungie gave them before release of the DLC. I still have a god roll Gridskipper that is great in pvp and if I wanted repulser brace/destabilizing rounds for pve I'd use Elsie's rifle. I'm having too much fun in The First Descendant to care about D2 until Bungie actually fixes what they broke. I'm not the only one either. D2 numbers are pathetic for a month after the launch of the DLC that supposedly culminated the light/dark saga (it actually didn't. The Gardener and Winnower are still out there somewhere). The First Descendant started out shaky, but it gets better about midway through the story. There is a linear path there for loot and it says right on each node exactly what the rewards are and the percentage chance of each drop. Bungie can rot as far as I'm concerned. D2 would be better off with Sony.
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How to fix PvP - More incentive overall: More shaders, maybe some emotes, ships, sparrows, materials, harmonizers, weapons, exotic ghost shells, whatever then can find and throw it in comp, quick play, etc. - Better matchmaking: None of that “outlier protection” cause right now it’s a mess. CBMM or SBMM. Do something cause it’s a laggy mess which tied into the next point. - Better team balancing: Not much can be said, in no world should the whole .6s be grouped and face 2.0s. Or in no world should a good solo player get punished by getting bad teammates while the enemy team is stacked. - Testing before nerfing and buffing: Bring back crucible labs, where you test before just shoving random nerfs and buffs in the game then taking weeks to fix it. - Cheater, enough said. Way to much cheating goes unnoticed even when people report, nothing is done.
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4 RepliesMaybe we should start treating the game like a game again. And not as a competition. Most people have a 1. KDA. and this is good. Someone has to win or lose. and sometimes you're just unlucky and lose more often. There are days when you win more. Just change the mindset. You don't need a 2. KDA to have fun. Seriously, we should just learn to lose more and lower our expectations But essentially I know what you mean. It's just a question of why we ourselves are so frustratedand upset
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Edited by Bakulaw: 7/9/2024 1:51:50 AMHunters are now dominating Iron Banner with clones, snare bombs, and OP super.
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I liked it way better when power level mattered.
