All last season we ran spire did all the extras except solo master and I never got the bow. At this point we stopped playing it . Its killing the game just for a weapon . It leaves a guy like whats the point running it when the RNG is so worthless. It sure is not worth your time . Bungie should be paying us to play this nonsense. I would expect less players to buy or even play this game if they get a taste of never getting anything for there time invested.

Raid exotics should be guaranteed after 20 looted clears of not getting it

Imagine running a raid 10 to 15 time with not receiving the raid exotic, making a post stating that he isn’t have fun chasing the exotic after so many clears, only have a bunch of people on the forums saying he wants it for free, that he is a casual. Look, I get it. Some of you have nothing in your life that a exotic from a game that very few players got helps you feel better about your self. But trust me, if you worried less about what others have, it will do you some good.

I agree with the premise of this ( getting the gun guaranteed after so many clears), but I think 10-15 is a little low. Even with normal RNG, 10-15 clears isn’t going to net you all the loot. So I don’t see why it would guarantee the exotic to drop. Personally, I think the raid/dungeon exotics should have cool quests tied to getting them than RNG. I refer to Outbreak Prime/Wrath of the Machine’s exotic quest set up.

I FINALLY GOT TOM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! FIRST RUN EVER ON MY TITAN, 20 ON MY HUNTER, 21 IN TOTAL!!!!!!!!!!!!

The raid exotic should obtained from doing the seal, it takes alot of effort to do the seal and making it a reward for doing it would be great but also keep the rng for people that don't want the seal. Maybe just add boosters like you do with the dungeons. One of my clan mates had to run DSC 90 times for his eyes of tomorrow for the seal, he said he hated the raid by the time he was done. It shouldn't be that bad

Exotics should be guaranteed on the first completion.

I don't and never will run the raids in D2, but to ask them to just hand things out like candy is why things are the way they are. [b]This business doesn't care nor wants to look for what some would hope for, and that is a happy medium. Nor do they even know what the word consistency means that the game is broken when it comes to its structure which is this game's downfall.[/b] The loot system in this entire game is broken that the players logic is broken, and this business is 100% responsible for what they have caused. The most unorganized, inconsistent, business out to date. Let me explain what I mean, but this will be long. D2 started as a hand-me-out cosmetic game to play dress-up, the dumbest thing to ever happen to destiny, and it's still being designed that way 6 years later. The base game left a lot of players feeling there was nothing to strive for at all because when things are handed out like the stupid cosmetics in the shop, who the hell really cares after years of the same BS being handed out over and over and over again other than new players knowing they have no value at all. Unlike D1 when the loot was placed in the activities, it gave players an incentive to run whatever activity, and the player wasn't flooded with garbage as they are now. [b](This^ alone has messed up the player way of thinking,)[/b] not all, but a good portion, and this business is at fault for not changing their ways in 6 years now. When it comes to the loot system in this game more and more players are expecting everything to change to make it easier for them, the reason being is because the loot system is divided to go from one extreme to the complete opposite. The shop Seasons All of the activities, and destinations, hand out things like candy, and hundreds of duplicates with all the old junk loot used as a filler for the loot pools that most are fed up with. Then when you look at... Raids Dungeons Lost sectors, etc... Is reasonable that it is harder to acquire items from those activities, but the [b](rigged "RNG")[/b] is not, and there lies the actual problem that leaves players so damn frustrated because most of the game is hand-me-out junk loot that it causes players to think, well, 3/4 of the game is hand-me-out junk, why isn't end-game activities the same way? If this business knew how to be consistent, and designed a proper loot system as they tried with D1, things might not be as bad as things are now that it is literally out of control that the system and the players logic are broken.

Well, one has to pay extra for dungeons these days, so just think of it as Bungo's way of making you get your money's worth. Also, consider, that when it comes to greed, nothing is off Bungo's table. I'm sure they'd love to sell a 'Dungeon Premium Pass' for an extra tenner, that guarantees the exotic within the first five / three / seven clears. Budget tier dress seller lol.

The exotic of that Raid or Dungeon shouldn’t drop, but I do think an Exotic armor piece or Dungeon/Raid piece should drop after 20 clears.

Increasing the drop rate by 3% each time you don't get it sounds decent. Bungie could still get folks to do some grinding but after awhile the drop would be guaranteed

I wouldn't care about a low drop rate IF we could farm exotic drops or having a in-game modifier or something showing you your drop chance and actively showing your bad luck protection going up I've ran spire fresh since launch and have yet to get the bow or a decent long arm

[quote]It’s to the point where half of the LFG posts are ‘Boss Checkpoint Please’[/quote] I also see a tone and half people in LFG posting for "Shiro Chi CP PLS" and that takes 1 minute to get with the wish wall. [quote]get your weekly disappointment over with and then log off.[/quote] Yeah. That's what bungie wants. They want you to log in and play the game. If you were guarantied the exotic you'd stop playing and would not even log in and that would hurt their bottom line. It would also kill the raiding similar to the Garden of Salvation situation 2.5 years ago. Quest are a weak. I have 1 Garden clear, and that was because the I joined at a boss CP where we backtracked and to get the puzzles done. After getting the raid exotic, there was no reason for me to even touch or learn the raid. This isn't just me, this is overall the least completed raid in Destiny for a reason.

Lots of raid and dungeon exotics are trash. Just run the activity’s you want and you might get it anyways.