Although I understand this thread is probably non existent anymore or maybe they never delete idk… i just finished witch queen (i know a little late, but if you dont savor destiny content you just be pinnacle grinding again) and after reading this thread had an epiphany.. im no lore junky so this may have already been proven idk that either, but, what if the traveler IS the means of balancing the light and dark, like, it teeters between the two like a pendulum creating these scenarios to specifically KEEP one side from advancing past the other. The whitness said something about “enough death, enough life” suggesting that the traveler is just as much a taker of life as it is a giver. It has no moral compass, its infinitely indifferent, just maintaining what humans would consider some type of universal or multiversal homeostasis.. it would certainly explain the reason for abandoning past civilizations without any provocation or motivation.

[quote]The Traveler is not friendly. Why would the Fallen want to destroy it? Because all it does is wreak havoc. It was never explained why the Fallen lost their homeworld, but it is known they want to destroy the Traveler. Why? Because, most likely, the Traveler did something to ruin them. Now, here's my theory. I think that the Darkness and the Light were supposed to be balanced (Like the Force). The Light has TOO MUCH POWER with the Guardians, and such and so, and the Hive and the Darkness are ONLY DOING THEIR SOLEMN DUTY TO BRING BALANCE. The Guardians received the power as a blessing, and use it to defend their home, without knowing the Traveler's true purpose. But eventually, the Traveler will screw us over and leave. Just like it did to the Fallen. I sided with the Drifter because I don't trust the Traveler. The reason Bungie is delving more into the Darkness is that they want to put forward the notion that the Light does not equal the good. Thoughts?[/quote] 1)The Fallen lost their homeworld in an event very similar to our collapse called the Whirlwind. It's Highly implied that Oryx assaulted the Eliksni homeworld and devestated the race and society as a whole. the following all come from weapons/artefacts within the dreadnaught: [quote] "Where is the Great Machine? Where is the Great Machine?" —Chelchis, Kell of Stone "All is silent. Nothing answers me. The hunger comes." —Chelchis, Kell of Stone Eliksni songs still tell of Chelchis, Kell of Stone, who stood before the Maw.[/quote] These flavour texts imply that Oryx killed Chelchis during the whirlwind. 2) The Fallen want to reclaim the Traveler for themselves. They believe humanity stole it. This is the motive for the assults that took place during the hunded year war (including Six Fronts and Twilight Gap). 3) The Traveler, like with humanity, advanced the Eliksni people for a period of time. Ether (their equivalent of Oxygen) became free flowing. 4) i'm gonna make a guess and say that your theory about the "darkness" bringing "balance" is based on the Unveiling lore book. This book really should be taken lightly. We know the pyramid is trying to contact us; trying to get us to it's side like most of the bloddy system (see basically anyone we've helped and they will be trying to get us to ally with them). But because this lore book is supposedly coming directly from the Pyramid, which has done nothing but taunt us and -blam!- with us, do not believe everything this lore book tells you (same with chronicon and Truth to Power). Apart from all of that, the Traveler, like the dark, is not entirely trustworthy. There may be bias in our actions because we are a pawn of the Traveler, but that doesn't mean it's intentions are good; nor are they bad. We were told there is a fine line between the Light and the Dark, not good and evil. We can cross that line and still be good and we can stay on the "Light" and still be bad. Symmetry Flight lore tab [quote]"To have Light, we must have Dark. This is the symmetry of the Universe." —Controversial Warlock Ulan-Tan I propose a simple experiment—look around. You see light. You see darkness. There could not be one without the other. They are two sides of the same coin. If it is true for these Newtonian echoes, why would it not be true of the purest, paracausal forms? Therefore, I conclude: the reason you persecute me is not because of the symmetry. It's because of the truth beyond this truth, the truth which you most dread: if we could destroy darkness, but we had to give up our Light to do so, how many of us would make that trade?[/quote] The faction know as the Symmetry know this well. Ulan-Tan has discussed this nature heavily. Light and Darkness will always exist. Neither is good. Neither is bad. They play a cosmic game of chess. The races they "create" are pawns on the chessboard. But never are we a force for good of bad; but a force to be wielded by a divine being we do not understand.

I’ve not read your whole post but I don’t think I need to, the Fallen don’t want to destroy the Traveler, they want it back

The fallen don’t want to destroy it. They think we aren’t worthy of it and therefore want to destroy us to claim it back, since it granted them so many wonderful powers and gave them their own Golden Age. And about the whirlwind, the Fallen’s version of the Collapse on Earth. They had the Traveler before us, and so the Darkness came to their planet and did some very bad things to it, turning the once noble Eliksni into the Fallen, who traveled to our system to claim what they thought was theirs. The Traveler did not destroy the Eliksni. Variks has been around since the Whirlwind( we can infer that he has at least) and has never mentioned anything about the Traveler being bad. I could make more points using Cayde’s journal from the Taken King collectors edition, but I’ve done enough.

Wut? Are you high?