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Edited by a_dmg04:
6/29/2018 10:53:44 AM
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Catalyst Drop rate in strikes are too low
Before the no-lifers start calling me a crybaby feel free to check my game hours.
Since the release of the Catalysts in Warmind the first rumor was you had to get over level 20 in Vanguard, so I rushed to over 20. Since then I've helped people farm nightfall, farmed heroics, suffered through bad mod choices in an attempt to get a single drop--that hasn't happened.
To put in the numbers--just to get to level 20 was 400 tokens all farmed on heroic strikes. 6 tokens per strike and never saw anyone in the match pop a boon. That comes to about 167 strikes in the first 3 weeks of Warmind.
Since week 3 of Warmind, I've farmed nightfalls on the rate from 60-200 per week and spent 4 hours sessions 5 days a week on heroics. I've accidentally deleted over 300 vanguard tokens and another 1000 sitting in the vault.
With all the other catalysts obtained I've been focused on Strikes for their catalysts the past 3 weeks.
I've noticed the drop rate is extremely low. Just looking at the 2k Vanguard tokens earned without a drop is 285 nightfalls at 0.35%.
This is far below 1% and when you account for time unfruitful. I solo queue, sometimes leaving me to solo the strike because of matchmaking turning strike 10 minute average to a 30 with horrible modifications.
I'm going to farm 60 nightfalls today, at 10-12 minutes per NF...translates into the entire day.
I'll give an update tomorrow.
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151 RepliesCommented to another thread on here, but will post here as well! [quote][b]• Strike Catalysts will be given a slight adjustment to drop chances in Update 1.2.3. • The Skyburners Oath Catalyst will also be given a slight adjustment to it's drop chance in Update 1.2.3 as well. • Both adjustments will help these catalysts to appear a bit more often, but we want to make sure these rewards don't drop too often, thus removing incentive for players to reengage with Strikes or Raids. • As a final note, getting the highest score in Prestige Nightfalls will continue to provide the best chances when searching for Strike Catalysts.[/b][/quote] Cheers, -dmg
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Me personally don't think everything in this game should be hand delivered to you. This is Destiny after all. If you don't get the catalyst one day, then play again another day or don't. I kept grinding NF's and eventually got my first Strike Catalyst: The Risk Runner. Followed by Merciless. These two were obtained before the update to buff the drop rate. And day of 1.2.3 Update my very first NF dropped the WardClip Coil Catalyst. Again, the problem isn't the game, the problem is this generation and the community needing everything hand fed like little babies. Get over it and start grinding.
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3 RepliesNo idea where you even got that idea about level 20? Never heard it myself and Bungie definitely haven't mentioned it. Perhaps don't believe every rumour? Only thing confirmed to affect the drop percentage is difficulty. The strike and crucible ones are meant to be a low drop rate, you aren't meant to have them all in a week.
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1 ReplyIt took me 16 prestige NF and about 30 NF to get my first strike catalyst and the same NF dropped the coldheart catalyst for my teammate. It's not that bad. I've done about 100 heroics with no results, so right now NF seems to be the best way
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strikes? what about crucible? how many wins do I need for the VW catalyst to drop?!?!?
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[quote]Before the no-lifers start calling me a crybaby feel free to check my game hours. [/quote] Does this make you a no-lifer?
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3 RepliesDo you really need to be above rank 20 with vanguard or is that just a rumor proven untrue?
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3 RepliesMakes me wonder though what the actual percent they increased it by. (+0.01 drop rate.lol)
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2 RepliesWhaa! Why isn't everything easy? Whaa! Welcome to D2 where casuals come out to play.
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Edited by svenkir: 7/2/2018 5:42:34 PM
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Edited by D2_Dahaka_PAL: 7/2/2018 9:43:04 AMPure rng is just stupid. There needs to be some path towards getting these catalysts, even if it’s just a matter of increasing the chance of a drop the more one plays. It’s ridiculous that someone who casually plays can get a strike catalyst by chance; whereas, someone like me who plays regularly each week has never seen one drop - not even for someone else. Same applies for the crucible catalysts. The system in place now is just cheap, lazy and unfair.
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14 Replies270 prestige nightfalls probably 70 heroics in, got 3 catalysts. They are incredibly rare but I'm fine with that, gives it a prestigious feel when you finally have it. Just my opinion
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You accidentally held delete for 3 seconds? No sympathy.
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I wont say ive put an insane amount of time into warmind thus far but ive put an extremely fair amount of time into every activity and have yet to earn a single catalyst other than just being given the darci one, it aggravating but eh,one day maybe
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3 RepliesEdited by sepulnailz: 7/1/2018 5:38:59 PMWhat Bungie fails to understand is we don’t mind the grinds for a perfect roll on a particular gun but by putting the catalysts behind such a huge wall they are discouraging us from playing. In turn if the drop rate was decent we would all have more incentive to play because then we would have a catalyst and enjoy the game more by using the particular exotic, even though once a catalyst is obtained the weapon still doesn’t seem to have an advantage. Think Polaris Lance. Under powered and is close to Hung Jury in terms of triple tap minus the damage and hung jury was a legendary. The fact is D2 is extremely conservative. They saw what happened with g-horn in D1 and took the fun away by limiting the perks in D2. Oh and raid catalysts should be a guaranteed drop upon completion, especially Prestige versions. Crucible as well upon levels ranked in valor not glory. Completion based not rng.
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Edited by Reclaimer: 7/1/2018 10:14:54 PMWhat they [i]need[/i] to do is stop making desirable items participation trophies and actually make [i]getting[/i] them matter more than the items themselves. I’d rather do a difficult activity that I can honestly say I had to put thought, effort and enjoyment into, than do one easy enough to sit on my controller and mindlessly trudge through several times in order to RNG it. A challenge is a better way of keeping a player occupied than a goose chase. They gave up on making activities difficult ages ago, but here’s hoping that ship turns around.
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This game is a shambles
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2 RepliesI got all of the catalysts playing regularly except for strike catalysts. Not a single one has dropped. They screwed up and keep going back to this, “oh go play nightfall for high scores and it might drop”. I will go stab my eyes with a butter knife before I play destiny for high scores so I might get loot. Stop coming up with dumb ideas that manipulate players into playing a certain way. Fix the damn drop rate already, put the loot in the game, and stop taking 6 months to fix little things that piss off so much of your fan base.
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2 RepliesI dont grind for them I jus do my weekly 3 NF 9 heroics Might run 1-2 extra helpin out a friend I have gotten 5 catalyst since Warmind Thats not counting Jade, Polaris and Faction Catalyst SweetBusiness
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You know the Catalyst droprates are shit. You're gonna torture yourself by wasting time. Then you going to complain to bungo about something that you are aware of. Please STFU already. You crybabies get on my nerves.
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How have you managed to remain sane? I've had enough after one NF, let alone 60! Fair play to you though, it does prove that the Catalysts in Strikes are a joke.
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I feel you rng is a nasty creature. Im on the opposite end of the rng luck i got 2 catalysts within 7 heroic strikes just pure rng luck.
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3 RepliesThe algorithm used isn’t King Salomon’s or excel’s rng bell curved data distribution. The algorithm used by bungie is based on gambling and behavioral sciences. It is a motivational/incentive tool, not a rewarding mechanism. They use a lot of quant fund stochastic analysis of momentum and trends combined with gamblers psychology. So in practice the rng works as a motivational system until a specific level of say addiction, then once that level is reached the rng works inversely. It is going to reward marginally less every time. In fact, the rng is trying to normally distribute remaining rewards, however on a much longer playtime. The lesser elements you miss and the more you play, then the longer it will be, ceteris paribus, for you to loot any of the missing collectibles. Unfortunately for you your profile must be reading: let’s wait for when the next dlc is out to reward him with whatever you’re missing. Worse, your profile will need months to adjust. In other words you’ll need to stop playing for months before an alert pops up on your profile reading: “damn this guy doesn’t play anymore, we have to give him loots”. Because it’s not with bungie’s 0.0000001% adjustments that your reward profile will change noticeably.
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2 RepliesTo be honest: I think it’s good that they are so damn seldom. I remember D1Y1 when an exotic was truly rare and you would get hyped about it. Now the game is throwing anything at you at such a frequency, that almost everything feels cheap.
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1 ReplyWhatever you do don’t take Spirit Bloom after the Templar. Wait...
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2 RepliesEdited by PR4X1S: 6/30/2018 4:50:05 PMI'm pretty sure Bungie are oblivious to the resentment their paltry drop rates create, either that or they're just ignorant and don't care about their players feelings on the matter. I've never played a game so heavily based on the terrible RNG system, and I've been playing games for over 30 years.
