By no means I'm claiming DE is perfect, far from it, they have several flaws, but they are doing more right than wrong and when I compare them to you, they seem to be doing the exact opposite of what you are and look what it has brought them? A thriving and healthy community and player base. Most of the complaints I hear about Destiny 2 are non-existent in Warframe: [b]Game is too slow:[/b] the go fast update was a joke. Just look at movement speed in Warframe, even with the go fast update, comparing Destiny 2 against Warframe is like comparing a turtle to a cheetah. [b]Lack of content:[/b] The star chart in Warframe is homongous, not only that, but DE keeps pouring content into the game, Plains of Eidolon was a great addition and there are plans to keep releasing more of such open world content. [b]PVP vs PVE:[/b] You can't do both without dividing your player base or making a half-assed attempt on both, you have to choose. Warframe chose PVE, even though there is PVP as well, but clearly PVE is the focus and why people play Warframe to begin with. [b]Looter game that lacks loot:[/b] The grind in Warframe is real, but it's also very rewarding because there are so many options and every gear you acquire feels unique. [b]Random rolls:[/b] The little loot that D2 has on top of everything doesn't feel unique, the static rolls and repetitive archetypes are so limited. It's pathetic when you look at the top most used weapons in D2 and realize they were there since the launch, with exception of Positive Outlook. In Warframe I already mentioned that every gear feels unique and on top of that, they can feel unique even comparing among themselves due to the huge assortment of mods you can equip, which make them feel and play very differently. You could build a weapon that focus on crowd control with status chance, or change the mods on the same weapon and go for raw damage with critical chance/critical damage/damage mods. [b]Toned down skill trees:[/b] It's so laughable that there are only 3 classes and each with 3 subclasses, and in these subclasses there's very little customization. In Warframe there are 34 unique frames with more to come soon. Every single one of them feels and plays very different from each other, they also feature system of mods that can make them even more unique in playstyles. [b]Nerf train:[/b] People complain that their guardians don't feel powerful enough, or that space magic is gone. That's not surprising, whenever some weapon or skill feels slightly better, instead of buffing the other stuff, Bungie nerfs it. In Warframe, you can feel like a god there, which is awesome. They even came up with a system to make less used/popular weapons godlike and pretty much endgame worthy. [b]Boring story:[/b] All the story in D1 was just thrown out of the window, what was canon became folklore and the current replacement is a children's book (quite literally). I'll admit that Warframe started with something less of a story and more of a mess of things piled together, but they took the opposite road from Destiny, they started gathering the bits and pieces of their own universe and oh man... when you get to the Second Dream, it's all worth it. It's one of the best stories I've seen in an online game, I'd never have expected that. It's something beautiful, it has the plot twists done right without being cliche and insulting your intelligence. Very unlike the example we have in D2, I cringe every time I recall Ghaul's speech "We're not so different, you and I" how more cliche could you get than that? [b]Community Management:[/b] Unlike community managers in Destiny just spitting out whatever corporate tells them to and burying their heads in the sand to all we have to say, the folks in DE go beyond their normal duties. They not only listen to players, they act and they deeply care about the game and their player base. They also host twitch streams almost on a weekly basis, promote once a year a live event not unlike comiccon called tennocon, where they can interact face to face with their fans, make big announcements, host several different activities and so on. You could argue that Bungie has the Summit, yes... a closed meeting with only some conveniently invited guests. But come on, I mean, look at the difference already. [b]All the lies being spoon fed to us:[/b] "Look at the mountain over there, you can go there", exp throttling, making 10th better devils exciting, etc... now what does DE do? They respect their players and are often the first to admit they were in the wrong and apologize for it: https://kotaku.com/warframe-removed-a-microtransaction-because-a-player-us-1824002323 [b]TL, DR:[/b] Bungie you need to learn from DE and not only listen to your players, but do what they ask and most important of all, respect them, be honest, be humble towards them and clearly apologize when you make a mistake. Only then, maybe, your player base will start returning to you. And come on, did I mention that Warframe is a free to play game and DE is 8x smaller than you? Please, think about it.