For those of you out of the loop, ME Chung is the Social Lead at Bungie and the main culprit behind the lack of public chat and matchmaking in Destiny 2.
However, my issue isn't necessarily the lack of these basic tools in a multiplayer game, but the reasoning behind the lack of them. ME Chung had some negative experiences in her gaming history as a female therefore decided to impose restrictions on every other player's social experience for their own "protection." (source: [url=http://business.financialpost.com/technology/gaming/destiny-2-social-lead-m-e-chung-on-how-bungie-used-a-super-bowl-ring-philosophy-to-balance-community]interview[/url])
That's highly unprofessional. Personal experiences should serve as a guide post, but using them to dictate every other player's experience is extremely egotistical. ME Chung is a female gamer who has been around for awhile? Kudos. But what about the collective experience of the 1 million gamers who bought Destiny and have their own unique social experiences?
The overwhelming majority of the players want a more interactive social experience, including public chat, clan chat and matchmaking.
Maybe ME Chung should have considered what the paying customers wanted instead of assuming that she knew best and deciding for everyone else.
I could go on about why chats are necessary, but that topic has already been done multiple times and there isn't much to add. But this one is more important in my opinion because it's the process that is highly flawed leading to a flawed product. Adding chat now won't fix the problem that led to the game missing such an important feature in the first place. Putting a narcissist as the social lead is extremely horrific and I don't want my own social experience to be restricted because of her own issues. As a paying customer and an adult, I would also like some form of empowerment by having the choice to mute/block people if I'm dealing with toxic players.
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She's a disgrace.
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Upvote she needs to be removed from all social controls. She has ruined the PC version of D2 with handicapping the ability to communicate. Toxic environments are a part of life and this just prepares people for that. Also last I checked everyone has the ability to block anyone.....
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Edited by Shadowjack: 11/10/2017 8:44:16 AMI don't think you know what the -blam!- a narcissist is. And you selectively read the hell out of that article to get to your conclusions. In fact, I bet most of the people here commenting on it didn't even read it.
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4 RepliesIf the majority of players want this open communication why don't the majority of players I run into have opted into the open mic option in the game settings?
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3 RepliesAbsolutely agreed with TS. Matchmaking and in-game chats is the gold standart for any MMO game this days, especially on PC. If someone is so toxic and ruining your fireteam? - votekick and find another player. Problem solved If someone is toxic in chat - RMB and Ignore. Problem solved. With current iteration of social experience in this game.... Let's speak clear - there is no social experience in this game. When you need to go outside of the game to find a team, when you spent around a 1 day to combine people for trying Raid - it's just insulting. Yes, I understand that NF and Raids can be tricky and even impossible to beat with randoms w/o voice.... But for the all hell in the Universe why I'm restricted to try it by myself because of some unprofessional people on leading positions? How I'm supposed to find people I like to play with without ANY in-game chat or matchmaking? But I think Bungie doesn't care about it.
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4 RepliesEdited by ghodzila: 11/6/2017 11:48:58 AMI read the interview you linked. I was struck by the fact that she seems to think sane people will quit the game if someone insults them in voice chat. How about just blocking the idiot and be done with them. Why quit a game over one bad encounter on voice chat? I also think Bungie is way too focused on building a social community and not focused enough on having fun playing the game. Shooting guns, punching faces and getting loot is fun. Making friends is an additional perk, but it certainly is not my main reason for playing Destiny. It seems to me that Bungie created the game their dev team liked and packed it with the features their dev team wanted without any real concern for what the players wanted. We are playing Destiny 2 THEIR WAY, not our way. We are being told how to play, and we have very limited options. I find it rather insulting. Working on your toon's build and grinding to get the perfect armor and weapons for the build you desire is a major part of what makes gaming fun. Destiny 2 took all of that away and replaced it with useless cosmetic crap, much of which you need real money to buy from Eververse. I was hoping for a great game that would fix all the mistakes made in D1, keep all the improvements and mechanics that players loved in the final version of Destiny 1 with ROI, and break new ground. Instead we got a dumbed-down money grab that is no better content-wise and mechanics-wise than D1 at launch. The fact that they did this twice makes it twice as bad. I will never trust Bungie again, and I will never pre-order one of their products again. When they substituted a cherry-picked guided tour for a real beta, I knew something was very wrong with D2, but they already had my money. Too bad not one single gaming website or magazine called them out on their joke of a beta. But the fix was already in.
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7 RepliesThat interview is an incoherent mess. How the hell did she get this job? What are her qualifications? Based on this interview, and other gems she's said, she doesn't have any idea what she's doing in this role. Bungie is such a joke now. RIP.
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Every time someone from Bungie elaborates more on the reason for lack of in-game social features, the dumber they sound.
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3 RepliesName one person at Bungie that is actually talented enough to remain working there?
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1 ReplyHow can there be a Social Lead position if there is no social part in the game? A lead of nothing? I guess it's convenient to occupy a major position in the company and almost completely smother the part you are responsible for.
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I agree guided games SUCKS, with Bungie's terrible servers if you are helping someone and you get kicked you get the Oathbreaker boon, thanks for punishing us for YOUR BAD CONNECTION and trying to help people out Bungie👎🏻
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57 RepliesEdited by TheArtist: 11/6/2017 9:25:03 PMLet me explain a few things to you. 1. M.E. Chung is where she is, doing what she's doing BECAUSE she embodies Bungie's philosophy when it comes to designing a game's social systems. A point DeeJ backed up on a social media interview when he politiely took apart Ubisoft/Massive's "The Division" for WHY it has one of the most epically toxic communities in gaming. (IOW, the social systems you design into a game has a strong impact on what KIND of community forms around the game. What behaviors you reward, you get more of....and the people who enjoy behaving that way.) If you reward people for behaving like assholes to other players, you're eventually going to wind up with a community of assholes. If you reward people for helping other players, you're eventually going to wind up with a community that enjoys co-operating with other players. 2. Building cooperative communities is one Bungie's corporate missions. You hear them iterate on that notion ALMOST as much as you hear them talk about wanting to make great games. 3. THIS GAME IS NOT AN MMO. So you are not going to attract the more mature, co-op oriented gamer who typically is drawn to an MMO. No....this game is a SHOOTER. Part of it is a COMPETITIVE shooter. ...and competitive (shooter) gamers have a history as long as my -blam!-ING arm in terms of using in-game communications to harass, abuse, and shame other players, Sort of like what you are using this communication method to do to Ms. Chung. Someone you know nothing about, and are choosing to abuse because she "dared" not to give you want you wanted in a video game. So great work in terms of being a LIVING demonstration of WHY Bungie isn't putting those things in the game. For more reasons why: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQyZRYOKjsA This is what happens when you give shooter gamers **proximity chat** in a game with open-world PVP that rewards people for acting in some of the shittiest possible ways to other players (Rogue mechanic). I have personal experience in The Division with roving gank squads that will shoot you simply because they're bored....and then celebrate over your corpse while chanting racial insults over you. Nobody in their right mind wants to come home from a stressful day at work to "relax" to that crap. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUYkl5Kf0IQ This is the kind of crap that Overwatch players decided to use team chat for. Note the woman that these two assholes are showering with their sexist and racist bullshit....is DriftOr's **wife**....and when they find out that they're sexually harassing a woman right in front of her husband, the two shit stains don't even have the decency to feel embarrassed. They just change gears and keep going. Which is why Blizzards version of "DeeJ" basically had to write an angry letter to the game's community. PISSED because Blizzard had to waste time and resources to strengthen reporting and banning practices JUST so that they could police this shit...and keep this kind of behavior from destroying THEIR game. 4. Which brings me to the final point. THIS IS THEIR GAME....AND THEY'VE DESIGNED IT THIS WAY BEAUSE THEY DON'T WANT TO HAVE TO DEAL WITH PEOPLE WHO BEHAVE THIS WAY. ...and they don't want to empower people to behave like this. Because you have three choices with this kind of toxic behavior. You can take the approach that The Division and other games take...which is to basically ignore it/encourage it. Then you have to deal with the assholes basically taking over, and chasing reasonable people out of your game. You can take the Blizzard approach. Which is to spend time and resources trying to police it. Or, you can do what Bungie is doing and simply denying people the means by which they can act like that. And frankly what you're doing here---ignorantly singling out Ms. Chung---for what is an approach to gaming that has the FULL backing of Bungie, is PRECISELY why Bungie isn't going to give you what you want. Because you're showing everyone what you'd do with it.
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10 RepliesShe didn't want players to go through what she experienced and you're calling her a narcissist? That's not narcissism. That's empathy and activism. It's a boneheaded decision all the same but that choice didn't materialize from a narcissistic point of view. You want her fired for that? My god. Some of you are becoming so emotionally invested in this game that you're just losing touch with the reality of the situation. It's disgusting.
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Damn you PC guys love chatting, huh?
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This game is made for millennials, special snowflakes and crybabies, it's not gonna change I made a post exactly like this before D1.5 came out and got pretty much the same answers you did Most of the fanboys/girls think of this game as their "safe space" it's their security blanket and the ONLY place they can make friends, so they will cling to this game with a death grip and defend it no matter how much it SUCKS👎🏻
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Edited by Blu13-: 11/8/2017 7:27:41 PMGet rid of her. Forcing her narrative on everyone because she's a snowflake. Bs.
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1 Reply[quote]How can there be a Social Lead position if there is no social part in the game? A lead of nothing? I guess it's convenient to occupy a major position in the company and almost completely smother the part you are responsible for.[/quote] THIS. Exactly this, if you remove your part from the game, then you won't have to do anything, what does she do? Decide what kind of emotes we get? Decide what color the team/fireteam chat font would be? Seriously, think about it. This might sound like a conspiracy theory, but I believe she did this so her entire department doesn't have to "moderate" the local/global chat or do any work at all. I believe what she/her team is responsible for are "guided games" which.... I'm just not even gonna say anything. Let that sink in.
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Bumping
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Her work in D2 has completely removed my ability to enjoy late game content, won't even bother with DLCs
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6 RepliesMods, could we have "IRL name and shame" added to the CoC, please? Thanks.
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Funny... because you can have the same toxic player problem in LFG. Can't tell you how many openly racist groups I've ended up in. (Don't worry. I'd bail at a crappy time to introduce them to karma. Ex... After I get teleported in VoG. Pick up shield, jump off ledge, disconnect)
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28 RepliesWhat's even worse about this post is you're essentially trying to tell this woman that her decision about bullying and harassment is wrong by bullying and harassing her. You're just proving her point.
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1 ReplyWow, this lady is so poorly spoken. How did she pass the interview?
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1 ReplyOk, so what did she actually say?
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1 ReplyMaybe it's just me showing my age but the whole time I was reading the interview I was thinking "valley girl".