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Edited by Pesky Moth: 5/29/2016 10:22:06 PM
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I hate what Greg Bear did to Halo.

Precursors were a useless addition to the story. Advanced ancient Humans were a useless addition to the story. Prometheans were a useless addition to the story. He decided to make the once honorable and noble Forerunners into selfish dick holes. IMO 343 needs to stop letting so many damn people write canon for Halo. It's getting so god damn convoluted and hard to follow, it's creating more plot holes and forcing stupid retcon that is ultimately muddying what should have been a relatively simple story to follow. The games stories should be the primary source for this shit (excluding the shitty Halo 5 story and even Halo 4 which, despite being good(ish) was piggybacking off of Greg Bears story) Halo 5, and the retarded amount of Lore that 343 has allowed has turned me off of Halos story forever. So god damnit I'm going to write my own Halo 4 and 5, maybe even do a few drawings to fix what I believe to be the real problem with Halos current faulty state of affairs. [b]EDIT:[/b] I just went back and read all the terminals from Halo 3. There is no mention of Precursors, advanced ancient humans or anything of the like. Mendicant Bias even says that the Forerunners authority was "self appointed" as in, Forerunners advanced and then decided to govern the Galaxy, not securing the power from a previous species. And the only betrayal is that of Mendicant Bias. The Forerunners themselves didn't do anything bad. And the Didact never said anything that condoned a hatred of Humanity.
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  • Did you even read the Forerunner saga? Everything you said was useless is actually FAAAAR from that. The Forerunner Saga has put focus on the beginning and possibly the end of the series. Not to mention those books are VERY well written. Lets start with the Precursors. They are literally the GODS of the Halo universe. The created all the sentient life in the galaxy, and their structures are nearly impervious to everything in the universe. You know what else? They are the ones that created the Flood. In fact, they ARE the Flood. Whether you read these books or not, you KNOW the Flood is the biggest antagonist in Halo. It's the only reason there are Halos in the first place. Because the Forerunners hunted the Precursors to near-extinction, they decided to exterminate all life in the universe by infecting it at the weakest link, the humans. I love that irony. Our creators are also our destroyers. Ancient humans? Just as important. I mean, I don't know what you expected. MODERN humans? I think you are just looking for something to complain about there. But in case you actually think they were useless- it helped IMMENSELY in explaining imprints and geas', not to mention that it helped show how quickly humans evolve. You probably don't realize this, but Chakas, Bornstellars human companion, is 343 Guilty Spark. hundreds of thousands of years old, driven crazy by constant thought. But he remembers Master Chief when they first meet, because he has the imprint of Bornstellar. This isn't even from the books directly, Halo 1 referenced that fact WAY before these books came out. I think Greg Bear did an amazing job of showing this transition happen to Chakas in the second book. And lastly, the Prometheans and Forerunners. One in the same. Where did you get that they were EVER honorable and not dickholes? I never got that, because they never really explained them. In fact, these books are the only real thing we have to look at about the Forerunners. Not to mention throughout the books, The Didact had an extreme disgust with Riser and Chakas. He NEVER liked humans. Centuries of war with them will do that to you. I think the first 3 Halo games are the absolute best, story wise. 343 is NOT doing the best job at telling the story, even though Halo 4-6 should have been the better half. It SHOULD have been expanding and piggybacking off the books, but it really didn't, from the eyes of a reader of these books. I think BECAUSE they didn't follow through with the books it's not as good as it could have been. There ARE a lot of similarities, but nothing really info wise. More like coincidences in the game. I think you have it mixed up, man. I really don't like what 343 is doing to the Halo story. They have so much potential, especially with an entire origins story to pull from. Halo 6 could very well be the best Halo game to date, but they REALLY have to put all of their efforts into it. I hope they delay it to 2019-2020 and CONSTANTLY work on it till then. My predictions of the game- The Didact comes back, only to have to side with the Humans to finally defeat the flood once and for all, -Master Chief has to also create a new way to house Cortana, as he loves her, and much like her feelings for him, he just wants to keep her safe. No matter what she's done. In the end, I'm pretty sure Chief AND Cortana might die, just to give a close to the main series, as this WILL the the last main Halo game. -They will probably try to destroy the Domain and the Mantle, as they were made for the greater good, but as Cortana has shown, its can just be an extreme liability and with a level of officiousness, VERY influential in the wrong persons hands. (Although, if Cortana was made for the purpose of upholding the Domain and Mantle, she would be the PERFECT one to do it. Sentient life is too self centered and prone to war to properly uphold the Mantle of Responsibility. Humans were SUPPOSED to, but I doubt that would be a good idea. Thats why the Forerunners lost that privilege, they were everything the Humans become over time) In the end, I don't think you actually read the books. Maybe you read the first one, then stopped at the second one because the pacing and writing style is so different, as instead of a Forerunner view, its from a Human. The third book is even more different, as its about multiple people. If you actually read them, you'd like them, and you'd see what I mean when I say the last 3 games should have been the best of the series, but aren't BECAUSE 343 isn't following close enough to the books. Greg Bear did an amazing job on these books, filling out lots of plotholes, and yes, retconning some things, but they are GOOD retcons.

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  • Those are actually my favorite halo books followed by Ghosts of Onyx and Fall of Reach. I never saw a problem with their story.

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    • I kinda like shooting teleporting robots

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      • I actually like the books and all that comes with them. Different strokes for different folks, I guess!

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      • Edited by Onxide: 5/31/2016 5:19:50 PM
        I love what he's done to it. He actually filled out the plot holes and made the story make sense. The lore was set by Bungie themselves. Why do you think Guilty Spark referred to the humans as "Reclaimers"? Or why the Covenant needed a human touch to activate Forerunner technology?

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        • Edited by Onxide: 5/30/2016 5:58:42 PM
          The entire lore makes the past Halo games actually make sense. Bungie set up the story for Halo 4 themselves. Whether you play Halo CE and carefully listen to the dialogue, read the Halo 3 terminals and watched the legendary ending, or even played Halo 2. We all knew where the story was heading, it's been there from the very beginning.

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          • [quote]I just went back and read all the terminals from Halo 3. There is no mention of Precursors[/quote] Yes there is. I think the last mentions 'those that came before', or something similar. [quote]advanced ancient humans or anything of the like.[/quote] They have no need to mention everything. Apparently you haven't heard of narrative pacing. [quote]Mendicant Bias even says that the Forerunners authority was "self appointed" as in, Forerunners advanced and then decided to govern the Galaxy, not securing the power from a previous species.[/quote] As in, they usurped the Precursors and appointed themselves the authority of the galaxy.

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            • I have not seen anything on forunners that write them as Noble. Even the Halo 3 terminals tells tales of betrayal and more. Other than the terminals, there has been little information about them, even in the novels.

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              • BUNGiVision fanboys bashing 343 and being retarded as ever. Nothing to see here.

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              • What do you think are plot-holes? Also, Bungie were the ones who created the Precursors back in 2007.

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                • Edited by Mr Admirals7044: 5/30/2016 1:03:27 AM
                  [quote]I just went back and read all the terminals from Halo 3. There is no mention of Precursors, [b][u]advanced ancient humans or anything of the like.[/u][/b][/quote]Probably because the events of that conflict (which took place ~10,000 years before the Terminals) are not relevant to the story between the Librarian and Didact and the eventual activation of Halo. [quote]Mendicant Bias even says that the Forerunners authority was "self appointed" as in, Forerunners advanced and then decided to govern the Galaxy, not securing the power from a previous species.[/quote]Meaning they chose themselves to rule; there was no other legitimate right to rule. As in no other sentient species agreed to have the Forerunners rule over the galaxy. [quote]And the only betrayal is that of Mendicant Bias. [u][b]The Forerunners themselves didn't do anything bad.[/b][/u] And the Didact never said anything that condoned a hatred of Humanity.[/quote]You sure about that? [i]Can't you see? Belief in the Mantle sealed our doom! [u]Weakened our [protectorates], bred dependence and sloth. Our [so-called Guardianship] has stripped those we would keep safe of any capacity for self-defense! Were we such noble [Guardians] when we drew our line and abandoned billions to the parasite?[/u] MB.05-032.> I have traveled a very long time to meet you. I had imagined that our [introduction] would be somewhat more violent. LF.Xx.3273.> [u]That is the choice you must make yourself; {~} to be how your creators go about things.[/u] [u]Your history is an appalling chronicle of overindulgence and selfappointed authority.[/u] You have spent millennia [navel-gazing] while the universe has continued to evolve. And now you claim the Mantle is justification for impeding nature's inevitable refinement? You are deluded. But through death you will transcend ignorance. [retf-2.4.z] Contender [AI] 05-032 confirmed rampant ... [35:52:75:23.64]_xx01-83.244.53[/i] So, to summarize: The Forerunners enslaved other civilizations, removing their ability to defend themselves and act independently of the Forerunners. They had no remorse for sacrificing the very same civilizations and part of their own just to save themselves, failing the very task they appointed to themselves! The Gravemind tells Mendicant Bias that it is its choice on how it wants to act, or it could go about the way the Forerunners do things - which - based on Mendicant's comment, is violent confrontation. Not mention they were overindulgent, indicating that they kept essential an valuable resources to themselves, rather than sharing it with the civilizations they swore to protect and uphold. Basically, the Forerunners were galactic space dicks.

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                  • Cryptum and Primordium sucked, for reasons that I find apparent, but I actually liked Silentium. Regardless, I agree with you, and I'd even take it a step further--I'd blame 343 as a whole for what they did to the Forerunners. They were absplutely better characters when they were mysteries, because the relics and monuments they left behind spoke more than a thousand words. Go back to the original trilogy, or even Forge World on Reach, and tell me how impressive all of the Forerunner architecture is. They're barely hinted at, but somehow they've managed to resonate within you. You start the theorize how the Flood somehow defeated them, and suddenly each of their structures has a whole new nostalgia. When 343 decided to include them--poorly--they ruined the mystery behind them, and left us with a disappointing truth. Tell me, do the Forerunner structures in Halo 5 fill you with the same awe as the ones in Halo 3 did? My two-cents, anyways.

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                  • I agree I hate the story and the new enemies suck to fight

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                    • My only problem is that the new enemies don't feel fun to fight

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                      • I like your avatar!

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                        • I feel that the Forerunners were better off as a mystery, when they became front and centre story characters it cheapened the whole backstory.

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                          • Um...i liked fighting brutes and the flood 😐

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                          • Edited by CB: 5/30/2016 5:25:31 AM
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                            Halo died after Reach

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                            • Edited by Sapphire: 5/30/2016 4:12:41 PM
                              I agree. Even though I like an interesting story, I wish it was simple like it was. I'm sure I wasn't the one who thought, "what or who the -blam!- is that?" almost all the time while playing Halo 4. Like they seriously just plop this Didact guy in from nowhere, and probably 99% of players never knew of him before. Halo 4 was just a constant "what the -blam!-?" for me. Way too much confusing stuff. Stuff that they put in like we were supposed to know it all already.

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                              • Agreed. But the multiplayer for Halo 5 is okay at least!

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                              • Microsoft is just making anything up to milk that title for all it's worth

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                              • Disagree

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                              • Halo 5 is shit reach was good and 4 was ok bring bungie back to halo Microsoft

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                                • Edited by Hunter: 5/29/2016 6:38:09 PM
                                  [quote] So god damnit I'm going to write my own Halo 4 and 5, maybe even do a few drawings to fix what I believe to be the real problem with Halos current faulty state of affairs.[/quote] Then do it. I love a good story!

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                                  • So let me address some things that is purely imo 1) There is no guarantee that an author will stick with a story. Look at Karin Travis' republic/imperial commando novels. There was supposed to be a second imperial commando novel but Travis either got bored of the genre or was contracted to do a different book. Halo has been lucky to have a steady group of authors that are willing to stay with the genre, and lets not forget that writing a book isn't an over night process. 2) The big difference between the bungie and 343i is that bungie had a clear line where outside lore and their games stopped. Did this work out? well sort of. In HR noble team are spartan-III's with mijoliner armor. In the books, the spartan-III had spi armor and was very different from mijoliner armor (no shields, refelective camo, etc). The spartan-III's also had different augments that affected them differently than the spartan-II's. What 343i is saying that while the game lore is important, they are also acknowledging that outside events have also happened. Could you imagine how awkward halo 5 would be if we didn't know who tanaka, and vale were? 3) while the halo series is expanding, it may be hard to keep up with the lore if you're not interested in reading it. Luckily there are outside sources for this. I follow [url=https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCi3C2FXS0lp7oYVbGKTg2qA]Halo Canon[/url] on youtube. He is very knowledgeable about the halo universe and does his own reviews about halo products. He routinely post videos relating to 343i's canon fodder (their weekly updates) and shares is ideas over all. I started following him when the halo comic Halo Escalation came out. He gave a very well done overview of the series and i was able to keep up with the comic without buying a single issue. He is also one of the main youtube channel for [url=http://www.haloarchive.com/]Halo Archive[/url]. Halo Archive is a lore based community that is very approachable. If you're just looking for basic info, halo archive or [url=http://www.halopedia.org/]Halopedia[/url]will do nicely. I hope this helps!

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                                    • [quote]Precursors were a useless addition to the story. Advanced ancient Humans were a useless addition to the story. [/quote] As soon as I learned of ancient Humans I started to lose interest in Halo's story as a whole. All I cared about was the fight with Covenant. Gameplay is always more important then story to me anyway.

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