{{
`${userDetail.user.displayName}${userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode ? `#${standardizeBungieGlobalCode(userDetail.user.cachedBungieGlobalDisplayNameCode)}` : ""}`}}
{{getUserClans()}}
11/8/2009 11:19:14 AM
57
Halo 3: ODST Ending flaw. (spoiler alert)
I just finished the Halo 3:ODST campaign again and during the epilogue with srgt. johnson and the engineer I realized something. The scene according to the epilogue screen takes place 1 month after drop and yet Halo 3 ODST takes place on the same day that the Master Chief and miranda keyes chase the prophet of regret through the slip space jump in the opening of ODST. Now, the problem lies in the timeline that has been set by Halo 2 and Halo 3.
Master chief chases and kills regret and follows the prophet of truth back to earth in the period of 2 or 3 days, which means that Halo 2 takes place in a 3-4 day period and Halo 3 takes place in a 2 day period, 3 if you really want to push it.
My problem is that the portal to the ark is opened in the middle of Halo 3 with the rest of the game taking place on the Ark, but in the Halo 3 ODST epilogue Srgt. johnson is still alive and we all know (those who played Halo 3) that johnson dies on the Ark, yet he appears 1 full month after the initial ODST teams insertion.
One full Month after drop puts that ending with johnson well past the end of the war and extremely past the digging up of the portal to the ark, which in turn means johnson is already dead and the war is over, making the interogation between the engineer and johnson (timeline wise) IMPOSSIBLE.
Iam perplexed, can someone plaese explain.
thank you.
-
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Gottalovec4 Sigh, The ODSTs drop on November 2nd meaning that one month later it would be December 2nd. MC lands in Africa in Halo 3 on December 3rd. /thread[/quote] Nope, Timelines clearly state that the ODST insertion occurs on October 20th Halowaypoint.com See for yourself.
-
1 Reply[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] zZeightZz Is it not possible that bungie didn't focus on this as much as you did? Johnson dies multiple times, why couldn't he still be alive? At the end of halo 1 he is seen struggling with an elite over an assault rifle (could be a different weapon) on the halo ring, which is completely destroyed. But he's still good. --------------------- On the other debate: the timeline is still good; the covenant are glassing the planet at the end of ODST, something that happens after the flood come into halo 3, before the end of the game, before johnson dies. ODST and halo 3 happen at the same time, both before johnson dies. ODST takes place in the matter of 24, maybe 30 hours. It begins during the day, the rookie gets knocked out, and when he wakes up its night, 6 hours later and he spends the next couple of hours finding out what happened to the rest of his team before finally regrouping with them and finishing the game the very next day. ---- [/quote] Halo 2 events start on October 20th 2552, ODST insertion occur on the same day. The day that the events of Halo 3 ODST end, that is the morning of the next day after the rookie spent the whole night regrouping with his squad, which means that its officially october 21st. now lets assume you are right, then how is it that johnson appears a month later with the engineer in an interrogation scene when its clear that during Halo 2 he is on Delta Halo stopping Tartarus from firing the rings and then again on the Ark with the Master Chief finishing off the covenant armada, in which he dies trying when could this interrogation have taken place is my question the finale of halo takes place on november 17 thats only 26 days and johnson is dead prior to the closing of the Halo 3 story so take away a few days from that and we got at most 2 weeks and a few days now that is NOT a month because that would place johnson in that interrogation 1 month after october 21st which is noveber 21st clearly contradicting the timeline. and also having him still have time to go and retrieve the chief from the african jungle in the outskirts of the city have him fight in the crows nest level AND buddy up with the chief to go through the portal for the finale of Halo 3.
-
i can just say, don't read into it too much.
-
Sigh, The ODSTs drop on November 2nd meaning that one month later it would be December 2nd. MC lands in Africa in Halo 3 on December 3rd. /thread
-
Is it not possible that bungie didn't focus on this as much as you did? Johnson dies multiple times, why couldn't he still be alive? At the end of halo 1 he is seen struggling with an elite over an assault rifle (could be a different weapon) on the halo ring, which is completely destroyed. But he's still good. --------------------- On the other debate: the timeline is still good; the covenant are glassing the planet at the end of ODST, something that happens after the flood come into halo 3, before the end of the game, before johnson dies. ODST and halo 3 happen at the same time, both before johnson dies. ODST takes place in the matter of 24, maybe 30 hours. It begins during the day, the rookie gets knocked out, and when he wakes up its night, 6 hours later and he spends the next couple of hours finding out what happened to the rest of his team before finally regrouping with them and finishing the game the very next day. ----
-
How are you still confused? Just check the official timeline from Bungie or the one on Halopedia, Odst ends Oct 21 and Halo 3 starts Nov 17, that's pretty close to a month.
-
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] the searchbar XD because johnson is the best cigar chomping marine in the UNSC and he used his super hacks[/quote] heh no but seriously dude, In the end even with all the good explanations in here and there some damn good ones, I still believe this could have been a slip up within bungie. ....Unless a forum ninja >.> answers this question <.<
-
because johnson is the best cigar chomping marine in the UNSC and he used his super hacks
-
the timeline is flawed when you jump into slipspace. this is how in first strike, chief went almost a month back in time to reach. also time is relative, it might have taken a while to exit after the jump.. just cause it took 1 hour to see the end cuttscene didn't mean a week hadn't gone by.
-
the main thing u forgot is that we dont know the exact time line of the halo 2 last few missions. well im pretyy sure we aint sure if truth left with MC before the arby or vice versa.
-
Word of God has said that it took the greater part of a week or two from "Sir, Finishing this Fight!" to actually falling off of the Dreadnaught.
-
It says in that update that it took Truth 13 days to deploy his Brutes, but ODST only took place during the course of 1, possibly 2 days. The Brutes were already there. Care to explain? [Edited on 11.09.2009 7:40 AM PST]
-
Slipspace Lag: its like jet lag pnly a hundred times worse...
-
[url]http://www.bungie.net/News/content.aspx?type=topnews&cid=16989[/url] OP, do not make topics about the story if you know nothing about the story. Repliers, do not attempt to correct a stupid OP if you do not know how to correct him. Have a good day.
-
All questions will be answered at PAX 1337...
-
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] SHOTTY SNIP3R each halo game supposedly takes place over the course of one month each. three months total and johnson gets back to earth at the beginning of halo 3. and thats when that scene takes place.[/quote] Nope look at the official timelines, Halo 2 and Halo 3 take place in a matter of days not weeks.
-
each halo game supposedly takes place over the course of one month each. three months total and johnson gets back to earth at the beginning of halo 3. and thats when that scene takes place.
-
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dropship dude Ah, I just stumbled across this: [quote]2552 to 2553 - Nov to Mar: After crashing in East Africa, the Master Chief is recovered by a squad of UNSC Marines led by Sergeant Avery Johnson and the Arbiter. The group splits, and attempts to reach the extraction zone. Johnson and his men manage to board a Pelican, but find themselves captured by Brutes shortly afterwards. The Master Chief and the Arbiter find Johnson and his men and rescue them. The Master Chief, Johnson, and the Arbiter arrive at a five hundred year-old underground UNSC military base near the town of Voi named the "Crow's Nest". Commander Miranda Keyes and Lord Hood plan an attack on the High Prophet of Truth in order to avoid the activation of the Portal, but are interrupted by a detachment of Covenant Loyalists which take over the base. As Lord Hood orders his remaining ships to attack Truth's fleet, a slipspace entrance is created by the Portal. A Flood-infested vessel carrying a construct identified as Cortana crashes near Voi, and the city is quickly overwhelmed by the parasite. This is in fact a part of Cortana, containing a recorded message. The construct is retrieved from the ship, and repaired by 343 Guilty Spark. Onboard the Sangheili vessel Shadow of Intent - commanded by Rtas 'Vadumee - the recorded message held within the construct informs Lord Hood and the Master Chief that the Portal holds the secret to the defeat of the Flood. Passing through the slipspace Portal, Commander Keyes and her fleet arrive at the Ark. After a brief engagement between the UNSC fleet and the Covenant Loyalist fleet, the Master Chief and the Arbiter learn that the Ark is situated beyond the galactic rim, thus safe from the Halos range of fire. Apart from its advantageous location to escape the Flood, it also serves as a construction facility to built replacement Halos in case one is severely damaged or destroyed. Making her way into the Control Room of the Ark where Johnson is held captive, Commander Keyes is killed by the Prophet of Truth. He uses Johnson to activate the seven Halo rings. Joining forces with the Flood, the Master Chief and the Arbiter eliminate Truth's defenses, Truth himself being killed. An unexpected turn of events follows, and Gravemind betrays the Master Chief and the Arbiter as Johnson flees onboard a Pelican. Cortana conceives a plan to destroy the Flood without affecting the Milky Way. Safely distanced from the galaxy, the replacement Installation 04 can eliminate the Flood for good once fired. The Master Chief infiltrates the Flood-infested High Charity, retrieves Cortana and uses the Index from the former Installation 04 to fire the Halo and destroy the Flood and its leader. While attempting to activate the replacement Installation 04, Johnson is killed by 343 Guilty Spark, claiming that a "premature firing" will destroy both the Installation and the Ark. Guilty Spark is destroyed by the Master Chief, who then activates the Halo and heads towards the UNSC Forward Unto Dawn. The Arbiter and the Master Chief make it onboard the ship, however, the slipspace Portal is deactivated as the Halo stirs. Half of the Frigate containing the Arbiter passes through the Portal, and the other half containing the Master Chief and Cortana stays behind.[/quote]According to this, it was actually several months after the events of Halo 2 when Johnson died, not several days. =S [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] F12 .......true nicely done, but what about the dates it doesnt measure up to a month youve played the games, you know what i mean.[/quote]Yeah, I know what you're saying. I'm assuming the Portal acted as a wormhole, allowing several months worth of travel into a few seconds.[/quote] After this, I think we can all agree that everything Dropship dude says is right.
-
Halo 3: ODST takes place between Halo 2 and Halo 3. Srgt. Johnson and the Master Chief aboard the In Amber Clad to chase Prophet of Regret as he slipspace in the middle of New Mombasa. Way up high, ODST from Halo 3: ODST are dropping down to clear up the situation down in New and Old Mombasa. Prophet and the In Amber Clad slipspace and the ODST are separate from each other in the city. The In Amber Clad finds a new Halo which Installation 05. Halo 2 timeline is about 2-3 weeks or months. Mirenda Keyes, Sgrt. Johnson and the Arbiter stops the Halo Ring from firing. The Elites and the human are united to fight against the rest of the Covenant. Sgrt. Johnson, Mirenda Keyes, and the Arbiter quickly slipspace back to Earth where the Epilogue takes place where you see Sgrt. Johnson talking the Engineer. Master Chief returns to Earth following as the Prophet of Truth the Forerunner ship which is the Port Key to the Portal to the Ark. Master Chief and rest of the UNSC tries to stop Truth from supposedly the Halo Array but instead activating the Portal. Everyone goes in the Portal where Halo 3 takes place. [Edited on 11.08.2009 8:50 AM PST]
-
It's just like the Halo: CE ending, it's Johnson, he's like Chuck Norris, he's everywhere!
-
It doesn't matter, this is a game. Don't be so critical on it
-
Johnson wasn't always with the Cheif.
-
no, at the end of halo 2, johnson can be seen cloning himself via a forerunner monitor. however there was an error, and he really just split into one evil half and one good half. the evil half went to the ark with MC, and was going to try to kill him by leaving him on halo while evil johnson escaped unharmed with the dawn. however, spark read evil johnsons mind and went rampant and killed him. on earth, good johnson consults the engineer. /very heavy sarcasm much better story though /again with the sarcasm
-
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] F12 I guess it can all fall to lack of communicating the feeling that you actaully play though weeks of missions in Halo 2 and Halo 3. [/quote] It would be pointless trying to explain what happens to time during slipspace travel during the games. Only a small percentage of players would understand it and even fewer would really care as it has no effect on the game itself.
-
I guess it can all fall to lack of communicating the feeling that you actaully play though weeks of missions in Halo 2 and Halo 3. I mean anyone playing the games us included, know the game projects to us days not weeks and the official timelines given by Microsoft and bungie DOES say days so I have no idea what all this means.
-
[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Dropship dude [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] DataBase90 I'm NOT going to read that! I know that I am right. And probably that just proves it. True?[/quote]Pretty much. Slipspace appears to take weeks, but only physically takes minutes to those on the ships.[/quote] Thank you! I'm right. The mystery is solved. quote this if you agree
