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10/14/2009 5:01:10 AM
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How many colonies does the UNSC have?
In Halo: Contact Harvest, it was said that the UNSC only has what, 23, 24 colonies? I can't remember the exact number. Yet throughout the collective Halo franchise there is MUCH more colonies mentioned than just 20 or so.
Then again, Contact Harvest was written by Joseph Staten himself. Is this simply a deliberate error on Bungie's part?
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] walshypru I hope the Halo Encyclopaedia that is coming out clears this up; there seems to be a lot of contradictory evidence out there.[/quote] Page 33: [quote][b]2390[/b] HUMAN EXPANSION: Establishment of 210 Inner Colonies[/quote] [quote][b]2390-2490[/b] EMPIRE: Over 800 inner colonies thrive, but they are dependent on resources from the Outer Colonies[/quote] Page 43: [quote]By 2390 CE, with the founding of twenty-one Human colony worlds, the inner colonies were formally established.[/quote] [quote]By 2490 CE, Human space encompassed over eight-hundred planets, though only 17 had human settlements on them[/quote] So there are 800 thriving inner colonies dependent on resources from the outer colonies, but only 2% of them are populated. [/quote]It's a mess.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] walshypru I hope the Halo Encyclopaedia that is coming out clears this up; there seems to be a lot of contradictory evidence out there.[/quote] Page 33: [quote][b]2390[/b] HUMAN EXPANSION: Establishment of 210 Inner Colonies[/quote] [quote][b]2390-2490[/b] EMPIRE: Over 800 inner colonies thrive, but they are dependent on resources from the Outer Colonies[/quote] Page 43: [quote]By 2390 CE, with the founding of twenty-one Human colony worlds, the inner colonies were formally established.[/quote] [quote]By 2490 CE, Human space encompassed over eight-hundred planets, though only 17 had human settlements on them[/quote] So there are 800 thriving inner colonies dependent on resources from the outer colonies, but only 2% of them are populated. [Edited on 10.18.2009 11:07 AM PDT]
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I hope the Halo Encyclopaedia that is coming out clears this up; there seems to be a lot of contradictory evidence out there.
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i don't know.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ZTurulski Halo Encyclopedia says 210 "Inner" Colonies.[/quote] It also says there were only 17 planets with Human settlements. Which is amusing, considering that is contradicted multiple times in the Encyclopedia itself. Count how many planets are listed as having human settlements on pages 286-299 [Edited on 10.15.2009 6:10 PM PDT]
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Halo Encyclopedia says 210 "Inner" Colonies.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] The Blair Witch So, there are supposed to be 17 actual colony "planets". What about the [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Step_of_Silence]Step of Silence[/url] found in Halo 2 on the level High Charity, where, it is stated, that once the Covenant has successfully Glassed a human world, they remove a piece of glass from the planet and place it here, which totals 76 pieces? This is all very confusing.[/quote] Or TFOR where the Covenant bypassed a 'dozen' inner colonies to get to Reach. Apparently only 3 colonies other than Harvest have been glassed.
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So, there are supposed to be 17 actual colony "planets". What about the [url=http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Step_of_Silence]Step of Silence[/url] found in Halo 2 on the level High Charity, where, it is stated, that once the Covenant has successfully Glassed a human world, they remove a piece of glass from the planet and place it here, which totals 76 pieces? This is all very confusing.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Mythic4 Ummmm...... Brutes where the ones to attck Harvest in the book Contact Harvest.[/quote] The Brute's first appearance was in the novel [i]First Strike[/i], which was published years before [i]Contact Harvest[/i]. [Edited on 10.14.2009 7:09 PM PDT]
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Ummmm...... Brutes where the ones to attck Harvest in the book Contact Harvest.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BK Burger Boy Hahaha. Bungie doesn't like to retcon. That's a good one...[/quote] It even worse when there's no good reason do so. It only makes the Covenant look more idiotic. It took them 20 years to find a planet that was a 15 minute slipspace jump away from Harvest. Instead of a vast(but tiny on a galactic scale) human empire, it's changed for no good reason to 17 planets. The Covenant, with their fleets of thousands that can cover close to 1000ly a day take 27 years to wipe out 17 planets. It was a lot more believable when it was 800 planets and harvest was actually the most distant colony, not the second closest to Earth. [/quote] What I think screwed Halo canon the most is Bungie's recent obsession with Brutes. Elites completely got the shaft in ODST and Halo 3 and apparently the Unyielding Heirophant wasn't the first place humanity encountered them, they are now somehow responsible for attacking Harvest too.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] BK Burger Boy Hahaha. Bungie doesn't like to retcon. That's a good one...[/quote] It even worse when there's no good reason do so. It only makes the Covenant look more idiotic. It took them 20 years to find a planet that was a 15 minute slipspace jump away from Harvest. Instead of a vast(but tiny on a galactic scale) human empire, it's changed for no good reason to 17 planets. The Covenant, with their fleets of thousands that can cover close to 1000ly a day take 27 years to wipe out 17 planets. It was a lot more believable when it was 800 planets and harvest was actually the most distant colony, not the second closest to Earth.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deleted 17? I highly doubt that. Must be a mistake on the OP's or Staten's part.[/quote] It's not a mistake. People at HBO told him that number seemed low, and he said it was a deliberate retcon. It's idiotic, as are some of the other retcons in contact harvest(like Harvest being about as far from Earth as Reach) but it appears to be canon. [/quote]Well, that was a terrible retcon. If you are going to do it, do it right. I'm disappointed in Staten, that makes a lot of things not make any sense.
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Hahaha. Bungie doesn't like to retcon. That's a good one...
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] Deleted 17? I highly doubt that. Must be a mistake on the OP's or Staten's part.[/quote] It's not a mistake. People at HBO told him that number seemed low, and he said it was a deliberate retcon. It's idiotic, as are some of the other retcons in contact harvest(like Harvest being about as far from Earth as Reach) but it appears to be canon.
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17? I highly doubt that. Must be a mistake on the OP's or Staten's part. I would definitely say that they have over 100 colonized worlds, as it took the Covenant a good 27 years to find the vast majority of them. And by the end of the war, some are still standing, yes?
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There are over 9000 colonies in the UNSC.
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I remember hearing that there were a out 800 colonies that the UNSC.
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] ODST27 [quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp Yes it can. Joe Staten said 21 have been retconned out of existence or turned into something other than a 'colony world.'[/quote]That Halo Encyclopedia can't come soon enough, lol. Hopefully it straightens out a lot of stuff.[/quote] I certainly hope it does. I'm actually kind of hoping it retcons the stuff in Contact Harvest back to the way it was before. 800+ worlds instead of 17, Harvest the most distant colony on the very edge of UNSC instead of being about as close to Earth as Reach. And I want good official map. The one I made is ok, but it raises some questions and doesn't have a bunch of planets because the stars don't exist(another thing to retcon...) or just haven't been named. [Edited on 10.13.2009 10:48 PM PDT]
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[quote][b]Posted by:[/b] opogjijijp Yes it can. Joe Staten said 21 have been retconned out of existence or turned into something other than a 'colony world.'[/quote]That Halo Encyclopedia can't come soon enough, lol. Hopefully it straightens out a lot of stuff.
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[quote]Yes, but in the books and other material, 38 colonies have been named. While the 800 is false, the 17 can't be true either.[/quote] Yes it can. Joe Staten said 21 have been retconned out of existence or turned into something other than a 'colony world.' [quote]Wasn't it just "Harvest was the 17th to be colonized"? [/quote] [url=http://books.google.com/books?id=4X2P1RtTDZ0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=contact+harvest#v=snippet&q=seventeen&f=false]No.[/url]
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Yes, but in the books and other material, 38 colonies have been named. While the 800 is false, the 17 can't be true either. Does it even say that the UNSC has 17 colonies? Wasn't it just "Harvest was the 17th to be colonized"?
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[quote]Then again, Contact Harvest was written by Joseph Staten himself. Is this simply a deliberate error on Bungie's part? [/quote] It's not an error. It's a deliberate retcon. When asked about the number in CH(17 IIRC) vs the '800' number given earlier, Joe Staten said [quote]Bungie doesn't like to retcon (i.e., deliberately change previously established facts), but sometimes it's necessary. Take for example the issue of the number of human worlds. The truth about the "800+" number? That was made up by a non-Bungie employee and never approved by us before the Halo: CE promotional website went live. [/quote] [quote][quote]: I mentioned below that maybe some of those large number of worlds aren't : really colonies , per se, but small outposts. [/quote] That's exactly how we think about it at Bungie. There are certainly hundreds of "habitats other than Earth" recognized by the CA -- private orbitals, military outposts etc. All of these fall under UNSC security jurisdiction. But only the actual planets are properly called "colony worlds". Without getting into which names in your list are the former and which are the latter, suffice it to say that (per my earlier post) the names that show up in the books as planets are much more likely to actually be planets, if you know what I mean. [/quote] [Edited on 10.13.2009 9:30 PM PDT]
