You do realise after the change, overthrow related chests will have an escalating chance to give you the class item for every one you open? And not only that, this "charge", if you will, can be "stored" to apply to lost sector and co-op mission chests. If that escalating chance applies to the stitching/expunge/mending chests as well (TWID implies so, as these aren't regular chests) as well as HVT chests (again, these aren't classed as regular chests, so ought to apply) then the loop seems obvious. Complete the overthrow, and if you are unfortunate enough to be unlucky not to get one in that (or even if you do get one), take your "charge" or accrued chance to one of the lost sectors and do it while the timer resets. Honestly doesn't take that long to do an overthrow to completion, even solo, and if you aren't bothered about earning an Ergo Sum on the side, you can just pick your fave area to go ham in. (Personally am a fan of the Blooming Boss fight mechanics and most of the mini events). Most of the events don't take more than a minute of two to complete, and if you've got a decent build, you can bully the final boss in a couple of minutes depending on which one you get or which area you are in. (Impasse Tormentor and Landing Lucent Knight being the more challenging fights, imo, at least solo). Honestly, this solution is the best and most feasible Bungie could have implemented to address the problem without harming users that use macros for legitimate reasons while still allowing those who wish to farm purely by world chests to do so (albeit it is now going to take them longer). This is the best middle ground option we can get (for now), and Bungie even said they'd monitor to make another hit at it either way depending on how the change goes, including looking at possibly adding the reward elsewhere. (I'd personally love to see Rahool offer it as a focusing option after you reset him twice, as long as you have it unlocked, and as a reward from Excision, with the GM Excision giving double). So this isn't the end of this, far from it. There are so many much worse things Bungie could have done to rectify this. There is no easy solution to appease everyone, and I think people forget that at times. They could have stopped the world chest drops entirely, people would have complained. They could ban macros, but then people who genuinely need them for legitimate reasons would complain. A PC only nerf is impossible because cross-play exists. Doing nothing means more people complain about macro use. Boosting Dual Destiny rewards only and not touching anything else means more people complaining about doing a tedious mission constantly for best efficiency at getting the class item. I'm curious. What immediately [i] feasible[/i] solution do you have to bridge the gap that will keep the majority of the playerbase happy? I mean this question sincerely, no sarcasm. I am genuinely interested in how you might deal with this in a feasible manner at this point in time, until the more longer term solutions you (and many others) have suggested can be implemented.

Its because there soft on streamers and they where the ones using this macro to ask farm , rather then patch it, they nerf everyone. It was bad enough with up to 70 chests, after the change I'd never do the chest farm again. We need duplicate protection on these too

The pc thing isn't glitch first off. Second, the update isn't out yet, so you're comparing the change that hasn't happened to how it is now. Also, the change just nerfs the world chests, but you can still get them from those chests. It mainly increases the overthrow chests with an increasing chance after each chest. How about waiting for the change to come out and actually seeing if it's good or bad before complaining about it.

It'll be okay, with the complaining about Dual Destiny still ongoing, and this on top of it, Bungie is sure to reverse course yet again and start tossing the Exotic out like beaded necklaces at Mardi Gras.

Cant get a single drop now, ran several overthrow’s and opened every chest for several hours - nada! Soooo, nerfed into the ground. And before the bleating brigade jump on the post with do DD - nope.

This seems more like a change intended to increase participation in the overthrow activity. I wouldn’t be surprised if Bungie decided the normal chest drop rate was simply too high and it’s just easy/convenient PC to stick the blame on PC players.

[quote]Right now for the average NON-PC players it takes a while for the most part to get a Exotic Class Item to drop in the Pale Heart Chests and you are DECREASING the chance even more because of the PC glitch?!?!? So those PC players now have every possible roll and the Console players now get LESS of a chance?!?!? This makes no sense at all No matter how you spin this it is a NERF to Console players. Class items should drop as PLAYLIST Rewards for the 3, 6, and 9 games played. Also from Raids and GMs Just remember that those people already have every roll yet us console players are now dealing with the consequences of that glitch.[/quote] I am a pc player. I will list all the class items i have and where i obtained them. 1. Inmost light/synthceps x1 (pale heart chest) 2. Ophidian/coyote x3 (pale heart chest) 3. Inmost light/coyote x1 (dual destiny misson) 4. Assassin/gyrfalcon x2 (pale heart chest) 5. Galanor/liar x1 (dual destiny chest) 6. Caliban/liar x1 (pale heart chest) 7. Ophidian/cyrtarachne x2 (pale heart chest) 8. Assassin/wormhusk x3 (pale heart chest) 9. Caliban/wormhusk x1 (pale heart chest) 10. Dragon/coyote x3 (pale heart chest) 11. Caliban/coyote x1 (dual destiny mission) 12. Dragon/verity x3 (pale heart chest) 13. Ophidian/liar x2 (pale heart chest) 14. Caliban/star eater (pale heart chest) 15. Foetracer/wormhusk x2 (pale heart chest) 16. Dragon/cyrtarachne x1 (pale heart chest) 17. Foetracer/stareater x1 (pale heart chest) 18. Galanor/coyote x2 (pale heart chest) 19. Renewal/cyrtarachne x1 (pale heart chest) 20. Ophidian/wormhusk x3 (pale heart chest) 21. Galanor/gyrfalcon x2 (pale heart chest) 22. Dragon/synthoceps x1 (pale heart chest) 23. Assassin/verity x2 (pale heart chest) 24. Dragon/stareater x1 (pale heart chest) 25. Dragon/gryfalcon x2 (pale heart chest) 26. Foetracer/verity x1 (pale heart chest) 27. Dragon/wormhusk x3 (pale heart chest) 28. Assassin/cyrtarachne x1 (pale heart chest) 29. Foetracer/gyrfalcon x2 (pale heart chest) 30. Renewal/gyrfalcon x1 (pale heart chest) 31. Foetracer/coyote x1 (pale heart chest) 32. Caliban/gyrfalcon x1 (pale heart chest) 33. Galanor/verity x2 (pale heart chest) 34. Galanor/wormhusk x1 (pale heart chest) 35. Caliban/verity x1 (pale heart chest) 36. Inmostlight/wormhusk x1 (pale heart chest) 37. Ophidian/verity x3 (pale heart chest) 38. Renewal/liar x2 (pale heart chest) 39. Foetracer/synthoceps x1 (pale heart chest) 40. Renewal/wormhusk x1 (pale heart chest) 41. Caliban/synthoceps x1 (pale heart chest) 42. Assassin/stareater x1 (pale heart chest) 43. Inmost light/liar x2 (pale heart chest) 44. Assassin/coyote x3 (pale heart chest) 45. Assassin/synthoceps x2 (pale heart chest) 46. Galonor/stareater x1 (pale heart chest) 47. Renewal/synthoceps (pale heart chest) edit That is what i have so far... no macros, just farming chests solo listening to music or podcasts. Each time I open a chest I hold my breath and hope.

[quote]Right now for the average NON-PC players it takes a while for the most part to get a Exotic Class Item to drop in the Pale Heart Chests and you are DECREASING the chance even more because of the PC glitch?!?!? So those PC players now have every possible roll and the Console players now get LESS of a chance?!?!? This makes no sense at all No matter how you spin this it is a NERF to Console players. Class items should drop as PLAYLIST Rewards for the 3, 6, and 9 games played. Also from Raids and GMs Just remember that those people already have every roll yet us console players are now dealing with the consequences of that glitch.[/quote] Can you prove that all PC players have every roll? I seriously want to know, because if you can that's impressive.

You have no idea if the increased drop rates in overflow chests will be better, worse or the same.. Maybe wait to try it out instead of making assumptions that it’s bad.

Your post and replies are giving me a headache. - Overthrow chests are getting BUFFED (buff = good, as you mentioned) This is a good thing, for everyone who actively plays the game. Do overthrows, get exotics. Simple. - Regular pale heart chests are getting nerfed This makes it less beneficial for people using macros to do so. Why bother setting up a macro if you're hardly getting any exotics, right? I fail to see the issue here from your point of view. Realistically once this update is out you should see a lot more exotics than you used to? Like this is actually a good thing for you..

This was a nerf to PC afk farming. So long as the increase to the Overthrow drops is somewhat decent, it’s a net boost comparatively for console…

Sure. Gloss over the INCREASE in drop rate for OVERTHROW chests.

They just need to make it craftable. End of story.

You literally get 1 per hour it’s not even worth farming. Just do overthrow after the drops get buffed there.

They're buffing drop chance from overthrow chests. It's not a nerf, it's a buff + makes it less likely for people to cheat. In simpler terms, they're making it easier to get for people who actually play the game and harder for those that don't. Complaining for literally nothing

If you are not afk farming, then the drop rate has been boosted for you. Wait for the update to go live before insisting that this is a nerf or a buff. I'm reserving judgment, but TBH I just go on LFG and help people through the mission. So personally I'm not effected one way or the other. But I do have one more red hand to turn into a tree, so I will hit a few overthrows.