One wyvern comes from the left portal another from the right that you can see from the middle. One person supers left another supers right and its GG. Don't be using your super on harpies and goblins.

Wyvern's are very overpowered, so much health, really hate them

[quote]Just ran my first gm nightfall in years, we cleared it with 15+ revives left But, we almost got wiped by a wyvern that snuck up behind us. So I thought id check if extinguish was still around after the clear and it is. I think I'll leave the wyvern enemy design discussion for another time, but if that one unflinching death machine did get the last stray shot 20+ minutes and all of those revives would mean nothing. From one mistake. Kind of reminds me why I stopped running them. With the amount of splash dmg, champs etc that spawn its really just not worth having that much time and effort wasted. Think a re-work would be nice, if the adept variant only drops on a run with no wipes but other rewards are unchanged you might convince more people to do gm's[/quote] Extinguish is fine, a rework is completely unnecessary. GM’s are meant to be high risk and high reward which is exactly the type of stakes that the modifier feeds into. Grandmaster is supposed to be the hardest difficulty in the game but the fact is that they’re objectively easier than they’ve ever been before. Sure, if you’re new to the GM experience or aren’t comfortable in that setting it’ll still pose a challenge that’ll vary from player to player and team to team but I can guarantee you that anyone new to GM’s will have an exponentially easier time now than they would’ve had stepping into them for the first time over four years ago when they were first released. Even the most experienced players in GM’s fall victim to Extinguish, it happens. Sometimes it’s frustrating but sometimes it’s also pretty hilarious. One thing that it does provide are the “hero moments” where players can clutch the “last guardian standing” scenarios which can be an absolutely killer feeling for players who’re put into said moments. Ultimately though GM’s don’t need to be dumbed down, it’s that simple.

Extinguish is the only thing that keeps it real. No way it should be removed. It's a GM after all, not a patrol zone.

I disagree.

How do you let a wyvern sneak behind you? 😂

Nah, prefer the stakes and tension that come with Extinguish

Damm space chickens 🤷‍♂️

All in favour of making things easier…. A net positive for the majority

Did a run today and we were triple stacked in the room on the left and it was Wyverns phase… Man idk something didn’t feel right, two teammates fighting adds and something told me to pop super and turn it was a damn Wyvern. That could’ve been ugly but I handled it lol Moral is just be ready for anything

The “improvement” you just proposed is called a Master Nightfall. Why not just play one of those instead. Why do you need to play a GM? It’s clear you don’t care about the adept loot, as you give a suggestion that Wipes remove them from the Loot Table, but then what difference is there in how a GM plays, because the point of running a GM is to get the Adepts.