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3/3/2022 3:42:34 PM
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Bungie hear me out, 450/360 Autos need help
As far as pvp goes I think that the 450 autos are in a mostly comfortable spot right now. I think 360's probably need at least a little bit of love though in regards to both pve and pvp. High impact autos Imo need a damage bump to even get in league with the other autos when it comes to dealing bosses and majors.
By the the time your actually half way through a 360s mag. , a 600 rpm or 720 rpm auto could have already killed that same major you were shooting at maybe 2 or 3 times quicker.
My proposal to solve this problem is a damage bump along with a slight bump to stability on precision hits. Essentially a discount version of Zen Moment.
[u]Landing precision hits with this weapon grants a small bonus to stability.[/u]
[b][u]PvE:
Damage against majors has increased by 15%.
Damage against bosses has increased by 20%.[/u][/b]
In terms of 360s thats the best I've got.
450s only need a damage buff in PvE as it stands.
[b][u]PvE:
Damage against majors has increasedby 10%.
Damage against bosses has increased by 12%[/u][/b]
I think the proposed damage against enemies makes sense for the 360 auto given their nature. Why should they hit harder if they're going to be shooting much slower?
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I love the 360's and 450's but if I don't spec on stability on the 360's the ttk becomes terrible due to bloom. 450's just need a bit more love but overall its better than when beyond light dropped
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1 ответ360s need a base recoil reduction and better pve damage. 450s just need to deal damage and they will be fine. Like I literally don't understand how bungie can even look at them and think it's fine to push out these weapons under those archetypes when they just outright suck. Come to pass is the first 360 since pluperfect that felt even remotely decent to use on controller and it still sucks cause it just doesn't do anything particularly valuable. Especially since the best 600s can creep into their range, do way more damage, and be accurate at the same time. Meanwhile 450s are literally your grandma giving you a kiss and 360s are your drunk father shaking you as if you are still under 5 years old.
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450s and 360s should be combined
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9 отв.It's a shame because Come To Pass looks and sounds amazing. Probably the best sounding Auto in the game.
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4 отв.Seventh Seraph carbine may be an exception to this, because it seems to work well, especially with 4th time. Even the adept Shadow Price kinda sucks for damage.
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3 отв.360s generally feel decent to me but I do agree 450s don’t feel great to me. But so far my favorite 360s are the new Herod-c and false promises. I haven’t really had a 450 I liked much, I even like 720s more with the two this season.
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3 отв.Изменено (KIngJS922): 3/3/2022 8:52:43 PMThe Herod c auto is good. It's the only 360 that actually feels good to use and I can kill even majors with it fine. I actually disagree with the 600s and 720s killing faster. 600s maybe, 720s if you're teamshotting a major, but in my experience, my Herod c does a better job at killing majors than my krait or that seasonal auto I'm forgetting the name of rn. In gambit, the 360 autos kill the enemies faster imo. The issue with them for me has always been their stability and it makes no sense to me to give a gun long range and a slow rate of fire but terrible stability. It's like making a shotgun do crazy damage, but making the spread so bad you can't even hit all the pellets in optimal range. Herod c fixes that. Mine is a laser beam. Pvp, autos in general need some help. 150 scouts need some love fore sure. Maybe get rid of 180s and make 150s be 160 or 170. Although I like both of the new 150s this season/expansion, 150s always felt awkward. Like they should be shooting a bit faster or doing more damage. They don't want them doing more damage cause of pvp, although I think they can use a 2 to 3 point increase.
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1 ответ360s are actually hilarious. About as funny as 150 scouts.
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2 отв.Ive been calling to buff ARs for a very very very long time. My only evidence I need are the champions. ANY weapon that stuns a champion can kill it in due time. But any ARs take like multiple mags at any RPM to do it. So DPS aside, just talking about majors or greater, ARs are and have been underwhelming. It used to be that it’ll take 2 clips to break a barrier champ. A scout does it in one. Bows can do it faster when they had as did pulses. But ARs….
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6 отв.Both are terrible in pve. Though 360s are in a slightly better spot than 450s. Four-fifties feel like they’re still being punished for the Uriel’s Gift meta in pvp back in vanilla D2. They are so badly underpowered and are saddled with such poor perk pools.
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They’re a literal sack of shite lmao so bad that they should’ve been sunset
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After so many runs to get the new AR just to be super disappointed with it. They needed their buff for awhile now, but I don't see that happening soon maybe with the other subclasses revamp we might
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I think they’re both fine in pvp, though not meta by any means. Could use some love in pve though
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auto rifles and scout rifles both need some love... tho im more worried about their knee jerk reaction of making something broken then nerfing into the ground the moment the shotgun frat boys and linear rifle bros cry about not having perfect kd ratios anymore
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150 scouts could use a little love too. Bungie claims these weapons are "safe to use" and makes them do garbage damage even though most encounters in raids and strikes don't let you shoot from a "safe distance" And on console you can't even use 360s at long range because of their atrocious recoil.
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Autos are trash in this game. there is literally 0 reason to ever use an auto in PvP. and very little reason to use it in PvE. unless the buff the range on Autos and lower the range on all other weapons they will always be bad.
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1 ответИзменено (Illuminary): 3/3/2022 3:57:33 PMI'd be inclined to agree, in pve 450s are abysmal. The Herod C from Gambit is an interesting 360 because if I run elemental shards with font of might and high energy fire; my version with ensemble and one for all is pretty strong. It has about 40 meters of range before fall off kicks in so I'll probably try it in GMs.
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I don't need to hear you out. I agree after reading the title.
