Opinion: cheating and 95% of complaints will go away if pvp is removed. Also frees up time to make pve content instead of nerfing and buffing constantly

> Destiny 1, 2014 (Suros Meta): "Waaa please nerf Suros" > Destiny 2, 2020 (Suros Meta): "Waaa please nerf Suros" . . . > Destiny 20, 2128 (Suros Meta): "Waaa please nerf Suros" I'm not saying Destiny has any hope of living anything remotely close to that year, but the way people cry for nerfs in this game is so -blam!-, that it would happen lmao.

Just wanted to know, do people actually despise streamers or is it a joke?

Bungie: nerfs hardlights range to be in line with other autos (damage falloff is still superior however) Community: NO my gun is RUINED now it's only top teir instead of a CRUTCH oh NO my POWER FANTASY The #2 primary weapon used (summoner) in trials barely got half the kills hardlight got. But hardlight didn't need to be toned down?

This is great thread but, from what I saw, that garbage called Hard Noob is still broken strong. I still get easy deleted in ''safe'' corners because od trash ricochets. If bungo think this is good enough in matter of nerf, they are crazy.

[quote]You, sir or ma'am, deserve a trophy depicting your likeness in the great lighthouse! The Trials community owes you a great deal of thanks![/quote] Edit: wrong post lol.

Hardlight is supposed to be the "no-damage-falloff" [u][b]EXOTIC[/b][/u]. Now it gets shit on by Galliard or Ether Doctor, legendaries, which can literally have around 150% of the neutered Hardlight range (24m vs 35m). It needed to be tweaked, but as is typical, it got nerfed into near-uselessness. Why would you waste your exotic slot on Hardlight when you can use Summoner/Galliard/Gnawing Hunger? Welcome to the Suros prefire meta.

Now the last 6 people left playing Trials can immediately switch to Sparebender's

Spoken like a true Cruci-wimp. Besides, Trials players will just find another weapon to whine about. That's all they ever do. That's all they ever did in Destiny 1.

I guarantee you’ll find a new weapon to cry about within a week.

Well dude I waited 5 yrs for hardlight to get a buff and now its nerfed cause of PvP?? This just proves that sunsetting will not fix the problem! Ppl like u will be on here asking 4 a nerf like clock work, part of the reason this game is in the state that its in.

[quote]You, sir or ma'am, deserve a trophy depicting your likeness in the great lighthouse! The Trials community owes you a great deal of thanks![/quote] Look dudes, none of this stuff is broken. The problem is no one wants to put in to work to find a counter to any gun that perform as well. So it turns into the destiny phenomenon of a nonstop years-long amount of -blam!- and cry babies because it's affecting their nerdy lame KD. So hard light was a good gun that was broken by it's crazy jumpiness and no stability. They remove those like everybody wanted, and now they're saying put some of it back because people are using it effectively. The main part of the gun is now gone which means the gun itself is not even an exotic anymore. LOL just madness. What a crock.. the problem is the players. You guys suck something awful (not directed at the OP) THIS GAME HAS CREATED A TWISTED DEMONIC CULTURE OF STREAMER FOLLOWING AND IDIOTIC METAS THAT HAVE DESTROYED THE GAME FOR THE SAME PEOPLE WHO ALWAYS ARE CLAIMING IT NEEDS TO BE FIXED. Well you kids go and have fun because it is such a great feeling not to be playing this hunk of junk right now. The streamers are doing the same getting excited over nothing videos.The players keep playing even though the game is in a horrible horrible state, and day one players like myself who managed to finally have enough are enjoying the wealth of games out there. The same bounties in the same areas for guns that do exactly the same things. If it wasn't for eververse skins (I like skins and bikes) I would have stopped playing a long time ago. Well you guys take up the mantle and enjoy. With every destiny video I see it's pure jokes because man this is lame. If you are newer to the game than us day one guys than hey do your thing. To everyone else leave this trash alone.

Played with it yesterday. It didn’t really felt nerfed at all.

While I like using Auto Rifles... every weapon needs a downside to them for counter play. It keeps the sandbox balanced. Hard Light... had [b]no downside[/b] to it. No damage fall off allowing anyone to spray and pray from any range- on PC it was easy to use this weapon to bully Scout Rifles at Scout Rifle range, even on Console it wasn't hard to do. The weapon's rounds over penetrate so you can spray into a crowd and snag a kill easily without trying. Rounds that bounced did x2 damage to the point even a few bullets to the body was going to put you in the red or kill... and if any of those hit a crit, you had no chance to run. It was so bad that to the point you could just spam corners with one or multiple Hard Lights in any PvP gamemode and the enemy team would have to try and flank- to which then easily someone could turn around and watch the flank with more bouncing light shows... A MASSIVE magazine that let you spam shots... Hard Light had no downsides, it was by all means... the perfect Auto Rifle. Now, it has downsides. Damage fall off- but it still keeps it's perk that it has a longer distance that the cap on damage fall off is further than other autos. You can no longer bully Pulse Rifles and Scout Rifles at ranges they should be the best choice at. Rounds that bounce now do Kill Clip damage instead of x2 damage giving you a chance to back out if you get hit by them. You have to actually think about your engagement rather than going in head first with "Lol I will win/get a few kills, I do not fear death." Now it's in line with other Autos. Is Suros going to take it's place? Oh probably, but Suros also has downsides to it. Primarily... to use it's 600 RPM Spinning Up state... requires you to be close in mid range, it can't bully Scouts. It has a small mag size... Answer to beat a 600 RPM auto rifle? Distance. Something that can kill faster like an SMG or Sidearm in close range (seriously Riskrunner can melt in the proper ranges, so does Breachlight) All weapons need to have a downside and counter for the sake of balance. Hard Light nerf: Good, balanced. Now it's not an "I win lol" weapon.

I've got to be honest, I didn't notice it at all in Iron Banner, was too busy killing people with Suros and when I wanted to have fun, switched to Cerberus. Was awesome just burning shotgunners down as they tried to rush me.