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Изменено (burningscorcher):
5/30/2019 7:29:15 AM
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Why are people so against more activities for solo players? (Please read the description before responding)
I've seen so many threads asking for more solo endgame content and most of the responses are "it's a multiplayer game" and other comments telling people to just "get a team". What is the problem with wanting to play this game solo? It's not hurting anyone in any way. It's not causing you problems. So why are so many people against it? I enjoy playing solo because I get to feel the accomplishment of doing something myself and not having to rely on others to complete an activity. I also don't want to be forced to get together a fireteam every time I want to participate in end game content. While I am okay with the activities in their current states, I can't see why having additional options for solo players would be bad. The more players in the game, the better, it seems like a lot of you don't understand that.
Edit: Just wanted to say thanks for all the feedback. I appreciate getting your guys' opinions. Just to be clear, I know a lot of content can be soloed, and I'm okay with the current state of the game. It just seemed from past interactions that a lot of people were against activities being soloable or solo player focused. I just want a balance so everyone can enjoy the game the way the want and not be forced to play one way or another.
Edit 2: Just to further clarify. I don't agree with things like matchmaking on raids and activities like Zero Hour and similar requests. Team based activities should be preserved.
Edit 3: I've seen lots of talk about how many soloable activities are already available and my response is this: I do enjoy what I can solo and I do solo many activities. Many solo players simply desire a change of pace. Many of us have been here since D1 and doing nightfalls and story missions and public events, etc. gets old when you've been doing it for 5 years. Shattered throne is a good example of what I'm looking for, difficult, interesting, and accessible to everyone, as well as a good change of pace from the same things we've been playing since vanilla D1.
(This post has gotten really big so sorry if I can't respond to you guys, I really enjoy talking things out with people and hearing your ideas so thanks to everyone)
Edit 4: I understand that a lot of what I'm asking for in this post can't and shouldn't happen. The original intent of this post was to foster discussion and possibly brainstorm towards compromises between solo and team play that could he implemented in the future. I hope that clears things up.
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The comments and lfg are why I stopped playing for a bit. I finally got around to playing the division 2 and borderlands 2. I have to say those developers have it figured out. Their systems aren't perfect, but they definitely have something. I just hope that in destiny 3 bungie keep all types of hardcore players in mind. Both teams and lone wolves.
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2 отв.Back in D1 I was told by people like you and others posting now for the solo player that I should play other games or find friends. That endgame is for teams only, not the solo player, and that this game is a solo experience. It is hilarious seeing the same people want a solo experience now and some modes for it- while I sit here with multiple friends in D2- doing the easiest stuff compared to D1. I was told in D1 I wasn’t allowed to raid cause I didn’t have touch of malice or black spindle, and because I wasn’t max light. Lol- cause the only way at that time to get max light was through trials flawless, or raids. Or.,,. Spend hundreds of hours grinding rise of iron forge for a ghost shell- and hope iron banner gives gear... Now I raid and do all endgame cause I made the effort to find people I like and click with. I have major anxiety and major depressive disorder. If I can do it you can do it too.
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Bungie first described this game as a shared world game not multi player And I world rather have 2 dungeons that a raid because more people engage with that content. Most people that are against solo player activities are the ones who want everything fast and easy in group play and want to be special snowflakes.
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6 отв.Answer this please. If they made certain activities, that currently require a team to complete, soloable, would you be willing to accept that lower difficulty activity to only reward blues, or maybe 10 cores? If you aren't willing to accept lower difficulty activities, rewarding lower quality rewards, then you are simply asking for activities to have a lower difficulty. Which in turn, would lower the actual achievement for completing said activities, right?
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127 отв.Exclusion. The problem that gamers MY age see with gamers who are 30-and-under....is that so many gamers these days are playing games for reasons that have NOTHING to do with fun or entertainment. 1. They are trying to earn a living off the game. (pro tournaments, streaming, content creation). 2 They are playing in HOPES of earning a living at it some day. 3. They are playing for status in a community (I'm a better gamer than you are, so it means I'm a better, more valuable person as well.) While the toxicity that the first two create is more obvious...as people struggle to earn a living or position themselves to earn one..... The toxicity the 3rd group creates----the "elitists"-----is harder to see, and is more insidious. They are playing for "self-esteem" reasons. So they will literally support anything that makes the game more exclusionary and more inaccessible. Because that increases the chances they'll be on a higher rung on whatever-ladder-they-think-they-are-on......and can KICK DOWN at others.
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1 ответBc we rarely get both done well. We usually have to choose bc content is expensive. If u have X amount of dollars approved for a season then if u get more solo stuff it means less team stuff. Solo stuff has historically been very easy and team stuff is more challenging endgame. It's not that team players hate solo players, it's that we literally have to choose one way or the other bc both means crappier solo and crappier team content. Ur basically saying screw raids I want more patrols or lost sectors bc your a freaking immortal soldier so the only challenges are team mechanics. And before you say they can do both, they can't or won't, doesn't matter which bc it's about money invested vs money projected vs money made.
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3 отв.Изменено (Eclipse): 5/29/2019 11:52:11 AM[quote]Shattered throne is a good example of what I'm looking for, difficult, interesting, and accessible to everyone,[/quote] BUT YOUR TITLE STATES: [quote] Why are people so against more activities for solo players?[/quote] Please link me these posts where ppl are against more dungeons implementation! I am waiting.......... you are full of bias and you are a LIAR All you wanted in first place was a nerf to the game so u can solo everything because you are unable to socialise and join raid groups, by teh sounds of it, because i have never ever seen a post by someone stating that they should not make more solo content L I A R Who is against more dungeons?
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4 отв.I just gota ask becuase ive played d1 and now all of d2 have you ever had a good group of people to joke around with and compete with becuase it doesnt sound like you have destiny solo content is crap boring as all hell playing with friends and doing multiplayer content is way more fun then running around by yourslef maybe try and be more social I know thats hard in 2019 but get out there and say hello you will be surprised on what kind of group you can find to make your destiny experience all that much better.
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16 отв.Because elitist neckbeards look down on anyone who doesn't play D2 24/7. They expect you to know what to do in activities you've never done before, and they won't help you if you haven't done it 20 times before. The vast majority of the player base has never completed a raid because of the elitism that infects this community.
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Изменено (EARWAK3R): 5/29/2019 10:52:11 PMIm not against it, or solo players. I enjoy solo play myself sometimes. But teaming up and making new buddies around the globe is so much better to me. What i am against is dedicating finite resources to developing solo content for a multiplayer game. The gane was marketed as a multiplayer social experience, and i put my money down on that premise. So that said, i'd rather those limited resources go into polishing the multiplayer side, as it is a coop focused title, and i dont find that notion unreasonable. Its nothing to do with exclussion, or elitism, ill honestly play with anybody any skill, any power. I do sherpa raids. Im a simple man, all i ask is people i play with be a team player. And bungie provide us good team focused activities, and theres fun to be had.
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4 отв.I remember back in d1, most of the content scaled to whether you were in a fireteam or not.
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Its funny how some people want to reshape the game. Multiplayer is part of the game, ya do it or ya don’t.
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15 отв.No idea. Gatekeeping is all I can figure. That said, this game has gotten -blam!-ing terrible for solo play and it's incredibly disappointing to me. I spent a lot of my time at the first Summit talking to the devs about making the game better for solo players and giving more meaningful endgame play options (look how popular people soloing Shattered Throne was...) and really thought my feedback was heard. It wasn't. It's all about what the influencers and their followers want.
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3 отв.Because the only solo content you can make for the majority will just be fluff, like every solo mission we have available right now. The fight with Ghaul, with Panoptes, they weren’t challenging but that’s the kind of solo mission it has to be so that the majority is able to do it. Not challenging, not rewarding.
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Изменено (Jiggyfly): 5/29/2019 4:06:13 PMThis game is a miserable, boring, chore of an experience when you’re solo. Make some damn friends. Not that hard. You’ll enjoy the game more. Not every piece of content in this game needs to be possible solo. The team aspect of destiny is what separates it from BL for me (not that BL is bad, just different from destiny) I have a person in my regular group of friends that used to really dislike the idea of doing stuff in a group, but as time went on he realized how much better and more fun it is. I don’t know how you expect for Bungie to make engaging solo content that is difficult enough to not be a total pushover, but easy enough for solo casual players to get through. Lack of difficult content is already an issue in this game. Everything is such a pushover.
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6 отв.Isnt the whole point of this type of game to play with other people?
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2 отв.Solo players: We should have matchmaking for everything even raids! Forums: Matchmaking wouldn't work in raids. Solo players: WhY aRe PeOpLe So AgAiNsT mOrE aCtIvIeS fOr SoLo PlAyErS? [spoiler]Sorry not sorry[/spoiler]
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Friend game is the end game.
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Solo Players Suck. Go Play Rage
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11 отв.Things you can't solo: Last wish: Shuro chi, morgeth, riven (was soloed with arc staff/combination blow but I'm pretty sure it cant be done anymore) spire of stars: pre boss and val ca'our Leviathan Baths, castellum Everythings else in the game is possible to solo. Eater of worlds has been soloed and every other raid encounter not listed. Shattered throne is a piece of cake now that we have the light level advantage and the outbreak mission can also be soloed. Not everything is easy, but it can be done if you're skilled and dedicated enough. Also I believe every single encounter can be 2 or 3 manned. But the whole point of destiny is to meet and make new friends to play with. I've met quite a few people through destiny that I really enjoy playing with and talk to almost every day, and to me without friends destiny just isnt as fun.
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Get a clan. Peasants.
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4 отв.To add, we shouldn’t need to be forced to put on a microphone, either. It’s annoying constantly being asked if I have a mic and sometimes getting kicked for it in basic activities (not raids). A few years ago in other games you could play a game in peace without a mic but nowadays you need to be breathing and chewing your mic to play with people.
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1 ответИзменено (Combo164): 5/28/2019 9:26:48 PMInstead of purely solo content, why not content that scales on player numbers? This way bungie isnt solely building solo content for a multiplayer game. And if the question is, why would i play MP then if easier solo? To play with friends, just like coop in a variety of games that can be done solo or coop. MHW is easier for majority of content solo but i enjoy playing hunts with my friend when we're on together, even if arch tempered nergigante gains a ton of health and more resistance to ailments.....
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5 отв.This is one of the funny things about this community. Solo content are activities that 100% of the playerbase will be able to participate in. Heck, they might even enjoy it a little. -They want only teamwork-based activities, yet want to have a power trip and feel mighty! In the same breath, they say they want to be challenged, but keep unbalanced weapons that let them feel powerful. Fun, exciting boss mechanics, but don't remove weapons that allow you to bypass these mechanics entirely. -They speed run through every strike, then complain that there's nothing to do. -Thry claim that getting every item quickly was the reason year 1 Destiny tanked, yet moan endlessly now when some exotics don't drop for weeks. -They want to make the crucible a team event, yet hated when the game forced a team-shooting meta in year 1 (where coordination and team work were essential for success.) -They want their pinnacle weapons to remain broken OP, but don't want to fix the matching to make strong weapons necessary. -They want more players to join, but moan when the entry and equipment power gap is lowered. This forum is just one big contradiction.
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1 ответIt's because the cheaters who can only get kills by running a 6-stack meta against newbies and/or solo players would be deprived of their only method of having a positive kill death ratio, via padded stats, lagswitches and DDoS-for-hire sites. ;P
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3 отв.Correct me if I'm wrong: Borderlands is totally solo-able, but when teamming up, difficulty is raised. Could be a good solution, right? Cheers, mate!
