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5/10/2019 2:10:48 AM
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It comes down to it not being simple. Depending on descrepencies caused largely by being better geared the titan using it only has to be in the top three to result in a loss of dps.
Member A - 1300
Member B - 800
Member C - 400
Member D - 1900
Member E - 900
Member F - 1100.
Total - 6400. Now let's say member F is using banner shield your new total is 6625. Banner shield becomes only a 3.5% increase. If its member A your new total is 6375
These are obviously dummy numbers, but the principal remains.
A lot of things could happen and the numbers short of being virtually the same, which happens maybe 3 out of every 10 raids, generally being in the top 3 for dps is at the very least bad for banner shield. The better at dps the banner shield user is the worse it becomes, and considering it's a 4.16% increase there is not a lot of room for fluctuations. A super shouldnt rely on mediocrity to be mediocre itself.
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Since most LFG require certain power levels and weapons for raids the chances of someone being geared netter than someone else is small. Example, 6 700 power guardians using whisper should have identical damage unless they miss In these cases the reason for people to have severely different damages is due to missed shots for whatever reason, usually damage flinch and you can still be damage fliched while in well even though you don't die. Your case can also be used as a negative toward melting point that everyone wants titans to use. He has to take the time to get to the boss, smack him, hopefully get to a safe place to shoot from and then start doing damage. All that time is also damage lost by someone who could be shooting. More often than not the titan does very little damage during the timeframe melting point is active because it is so short. All of these "this sucks and this is better" is exactly why I don't raid anymore and haven't for a long time. The days of activities being played for fun instead of max damage speed runs are pretty much over. Si the majority of my time is just spent screwing around now, but vcd that doesnt mean I don't understand the fundamentals of how things work. I've watched Datto's "use this" videos. When they are doing this "testing"not everyone is equipped identically and that is the only way to get true numbers on what is lost/gained by using different subclass abilities for various encounters. If all 6 guardians aren't equipped with maximum damage weapons for x encounter then it really doesnt matter what subclass ability gets used where because there is already a "damage loss"to start with.
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Your logic with melting point is so flawed it honestly makes my brain hurt. 1. Melting point is a 50% boost vs. 25% boost. 2. Melting point actually does damage and has several great immideate follow ups. Ikelos and sleeper are both easy to follow up with right away . Not to mention tossing a thermite grenade then using your super. 3. Melee ability vs super 4. Time taken away using one is literally twice as long while providing half the benefits. 5. Several exotics benefit the use of melting point. I.e. synthoceps and hallowfire heart. Banner shield has nothing because fun fact ursa furiosa does not grant energy if you are standing in a well of radiance (you know the most widely used PvE subclass) because it counts the overshield has taking damage not the shield. Tested heavily in reckoning. 6. Melting point is attached to a super that does superior add clear and boss damage. Given you know using banner shield the way we are discussing gets rid of both those functions. 7. Let's for the one stupid instant say melting point did somehow take you away from the fight for the duration that banner shield does, which it doesn't see #2. To level out melting point requires 2 people to make up for the -100% versus 4. This means its useable in strikes and in raids it results in an overall increase of 25% vs 4.16%. That's if it actually took you out of the fight, which it doesnt... 8. Lastly its about a 50% increase. probably closer to 45%ish given you'll be usually combining it with ikelos which is lower then heavies. vs a 4.16% increase. Okay now that I've explained that on to your first point. People miss crits, not everyone is going to use whisper, and I promise you no one ever does the same dps. There is always [b][u]always[/u][/b] a discrepancy. I'm hoping you've raided and seen this first hand. If not just YouTube footage of a raid, worlds first would do quite nicely given the amount of wipes, and look at the dps numbers. I guarantee they fluctuate enough to make banner shield require you to be mediocre to have it in turn be mediocre. If you want even further proof banner shield is utter shit look at speed runners for raids. Yes I know they're the dreaded streamers, but it doesnt change the fact that if banner shield was worth using they'd use it. Spoiler alert they dont use it. Literally no raid speedrun uses it. I'm honestly sick of having to make a case for why banner shield needs a buff because christ all mighty it's not that hard to see.
