Calculate a -blam!-ing hammer throw is not hard it’s not like you’re doing calculus

You still have to take time to aim an arc traveling hammer. Gunslingers? Aim, *shwoop* bang. Gunslingers have much, much more range, and still no travel time. Hitscan>tracking non-hitscan Long story short, hammers require more skill. Calculate doesn't immediately mean calculus. If anything, it's AP Physics based on velocity and mere angle placement. In short... algebra. What you didn't think I knew, huh? Too bad.

You mean the hammers that literally do have built in tracking? And aoe? And armor? And longer duration? And more shots? Yeah that's way worse than a hitscan super that has terrible duration, no armor, no aoe, etc. Oh and the grenades? Swarm has awful damage, tripmine is the way to go and I think most people would agree that those are pretty much the only grenades in the game that require skill to use. Also throwing knives? Seriously? They do awful damage and have the travel time of a slow moving turtle. But I'm sure the opinion of a mediocre player such as yourself vastly outweighs the consensus of the community at large..

Mediocre? I just looked at your profile, and I can confidently say, I do not need to worry about those words coming from you as they are very hollow. Additionally, when did I say I was bad as a Sunbreaker, that I lose as a Sunbreaker? Sunbreaker is all that I do, and all that I need to know. If you can't get a single kill with instant lethal shots, even for active supers, in a duration that is reasonable, that is your problem. Also since you left out hit registration as a flaw for Sunbreaker, you are fabricating your side to sound like the inferior one, when it is yourself that is to blame. You do not need armor for a super [u]that you can kill something before it even damages you.[/u] You do not need aoe [u]for something that does not need it.[/u] If you want to use "the hammers track" card on me then, once again I will use "GG shots are hitscan. [b]Hitscan>tracking non-hitscan.[/b] You and I can move at maximum possible velocities and the Gunslinger will win 8 times out of 10. You have a throwing knife, and we have melee punches that do not register and a hammer shoulder charge whose only purpose falls in PvE. So yeah yours is bad, but mine is worse. I see you also went for the "tripmines take skill" line. Although I agree with that, guess what, nobody uses them. [u]Things that are nearly never used aren't worth discussing in comparison.[/u] Swarm grenades are Throw-and-forget grenades, they clean up kills, [u]without any further exposure of yourself to the enemy.[/u] Incendiary grenades are on both classes, and very rarely seen in the crucible, so they are both equally unnecessary for discussion. Just wanted to get back to you on this, after all, [i]The unseeing eye sees keenly what it does not see.[/i]

My stats are better than yours by a significant margin but that's not the point. Either way we are never gonna agree.

That's all you have to say. Ok then, looks like my arguement is on point. Carry on.

Also I like how people interpret someone bailing out of a conversation they know won't get anywhere as an admission that the other person won the argument, when in reality they are simply recognizing how stubborn the other person is in their viewpoint. So don't come at me with that "my argument is on point" bs

I would like to argue that thermite grenades do take a bit of skill to use efficiently. If I had a dollar for every time my grenade hit a rock or crack and decided to aim the complete wrong direction and avoid damaging anything...

[quote]Sunbreakers have to actually calculate each hammer throw. They are not hitscan.[/quote] This is a joke right? lmao