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Изменено (Dr Livingston 9):
5/10/2016 5:36:18 PM
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The only unbalance in pvp Auto rifles vs hand cannons / hand cannon users
im so furious about this. id rather face mida last word hawkmoon then auto rifles. its a serious problem if your using a hand cannon. i am above average hand cannon user and can handle any weapon but for some reason auto rifles win out every time against hand cannons. can you beat a auto rifle user ? yes if you shoot first but if he is shooting you at the same time 99 percent of the time he wins out. this is why hand cannons need a buff and they need to get rid of phantom bullets. i have no problems killing any other type of weapon.
surely you hand cannon users must know what im taking about. its especially noticable with those high rate of fire auto rifles. i once killed a doctorine with my hand cannon when we where shooting at the same time but we traded kills and i had to try so hard to get him down.
everything else in pvp seems balanced to me except for this.
no matter how fast or slow you pull the trigger on a hand cannon if both you and that auto rifle user start firing at the same time the hand cannon loses 99 percent of the time.
anyone notice this or have any thoughts on this. i hate having to switch to a pulse rifle in matches to compete with auto rifle users. i want to use a hand cannon 90 percent of the time.
for me auto rifles are boring to use i have some good ones but dont want to use them there boring!!!
in rumble someone could test this out have a auto rifle user and hand cannon guy face each other and have them shoot at the same time and see who wins 100 percent of the time.
i will say i dont use last word so i dont know if this is the exception.
EDIT2: i dont think i use hand cannons any differently then others its just that i hate being killed by a auto rifle when i get killed by other guns it does not faze me. i have been using my hawkmoon and can take out autos. i think the hawkmoon is the best to combat autos like doctorine. but ill try more testing. still rng bullets need to be eliminated.
all people know how to do is insult and they dont read very carefully.
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It's all about range on hand cannons. I have two eyaslunas, one with small bore and the other with rifled barrel. I consistently hit more shots with the rifled barrel version than I do with the small bore version because of the added range. It is very noticeable to me at least. I tried using a devil you know I recently received with 0 range perks and I constantly have phantom bullets.
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3 отв.I use a eyasluna with rifled barrel in the crucible ,this gun has stupid range and what I have discovered is I have more success at medium range against auto rifles.If you are trying to use a HC with no range against them you're screwed.
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2 отв.I main hunter, and I have way way more hand cannon kills anything else. Also this is a year 2 account. So no last word/thorn shenanigans. I also have a 1.1kd and was in top 6% of Destiny "true skill" until Comcast starting red barring me. And top 1% on combat rating. And trust me when I say this. Hand cannons suck because of the range nerf. They shoot slow and have no range. And I have been upset for a long time now about not having range. If they had more range, you wouldn't feel like certain auto rifles are better. Also through trial and error, I have noticed hand cannons need high caliber rounds to beat them pesky auto rifles. And hawkmoon with Litc can two shot. Which helps so much. I feel your pain, I really do. But anything I say to Bungie about hand cannons gets ignored. I wish there was something we could do.
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Изменено (jlboozer): 5/9/2016 10:18:29 AMThe phantom bullets are a problem on handcannons sometimes....but I don't believe in nerfs, buff handcannon accuracy!! [i]Yours. Not mine.[/i]
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I would recommend using hand cannon strengths to combat your problem. High damage in one shot, highest airborne accuracy and high flinch multiplier. Pick and choose the engagement. Don't expect to go head to head with a weapon where it has the advantage and come out on top. All weapons have there strengths and with the latest update they seem even more pronounced. Sounds much simpler than it is but hope you have great success.
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[quote] i had to try so hard to get him down.[/quote] Maybe start off with dinner and drinks? That might loosen him up a bit
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6 отв.Want to know a great tip to fighting any auto rifle user? Specially the fast fire rate. Now, this works from mid to short range where target acquisition is strong for them. Hip fire the first two shots to get damage then aim down sights. You move faster than they can while aiming down sights, and you evade enough of their shots to kill them outright. I started doing this specifically against the dudes who use doctrine. It was really an accident when I was on cauldron and I just didn't have time to ADS. Yet I came out on top with more than half my health. So, I tried it again, it worked. After doing that many times I can say that it helps a lot. You will still die a lot, but you will also survive a lot as well. Hope that helps bud.
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2 отв.I actually agree with this post. Hand cannon users are rewarded with slower, well placed shots. Which is dang near impossible to land when between each one 8 doctrine shots are tearing through your abdomen.
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4 отв.Изменено (Aulakauss): 5/9/2016 10:18:16 AMTips to beat an Auto Rifle user with a Hand Cannon.. from an Auto Rifle user that recently picked up the Hawkmoon and dug their old Polite Denial out of the vault. Here's what I've found so far fighting my own preferred archetype with a cannon. [i]DO NOT[/i] engage them on their grounds and be careful of being kited around corners. It'll give you a quick, concise lesson in misery and leave you a floating ball of particles and regret. Get to know what your cannon excels and fails at and focus on its strengths. Example: My Polite Denial has Explosive Rounds that I can use to disorient Auto wielders and works best with some distance, but not too much. Hawkmoon is awful fired at max rate unless you're close enough to get away with hipfire and shines at distance with carefully places shots. Try to strafe while firing if you can get it down and maintain accuracy, that seems to improve my odds a lot. Don't be afraid to go for bodyshots if you're not immediately confident with headshots in the encounter; it's better to hit for non-crit than outright miss. Aiming for the clavicle seems to work well as your 'miss high' shots will tend to end up hitting them in the face. If you stick near teammates Hand Cannons seem to excel at finishing off the wounded. You'll get more assists like this, but you'll also die less generally. Cannons also work very well as a flank/ambush weapon in many situations. Obviously, I'm less experienced with HC than AR and am only using those two mainly, but that's what seems to be working out out for me best so far and I do understand ARs well enough I can fight my own kind.
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HC used to be one of my favorite types, and I still try them every now then but those ghost bullets really frustrate the hell out of me and had me give them up.
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Hand cannons damage wise are good, but their phantom bullet effect at medium range is awfiul, considering they are supposed to be good for close to medium.
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6 отв.Too fix the phantom bullet issue. I highly suggest rangefinder. It helps so significantly it's pretty nuts As for auto rifles, I feel like they should not cause flinch. That's part of why it's so hard to fight doctrines.
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6 отв.I love my first curse
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2 отв.I agree about the fantom bullets. Been a noticeable issue for awhile now and it wasn't always
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5 отв.My personal change to handcannon would look something like this. Accuracy increased in all hand cannons. Lowest rate of fire (judith-d)handcannons now do more damage. Making 2 shots to the head quite a possibility. Handcannons in the mid tier meduim rof meduim impact (eyasluna type) unchanged. Some buff needed to high rof hancannons to make them more competetive. Thus highest and lowest rof handcannon can be competetive.
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5 отв.I have more problems with scouts (mida) but thats ok because its a "range problem" what hc is your pvp fav?
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TL;DR I can't accept that there is a counter to hand cannons.
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1 ответEven if they buffed accuracy (Bungie please), what else could they do? Unless you want all hand cannons to 2 shot, it's not like a damage buff would make a difference.
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4 отв.Autos are back in power, they are the meta. Join or learn how to beat them. Ar/ sniper/ rocket Auto's are easy mode though, enjoy it.
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Accuracy buff for hand cannons. Agreed.
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9 отв.Last word can outgun anything so can hawk moon it's a 2 shot headshot (if the perks activate) Doctrine takes like 15-20 to kill a person I'm pretty sure you can get 2 shots for his 15-20
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2 отв.Hence I'm stuck on Imprecation and Renowned steps. I want that First Curse!!!
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1 ответYou need to calm down auto rifle are balance
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6 отв.I rarely use any HCs besides TLW or TFC in pvp now. Those two perform well, but the rest of them just seem like below average weapons.
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You're probably too close to the Dr's office my friend.
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1 ответwhy is every word lowercased?
