So it begins the players don't know what they want the last update getting backlash from players due to BUNGIE increasing noise from distance fights to increase pvp engagements but at the cost of ruining the pacing of the game. This caused an extremely bad change now especially in team lobbies players are literally Sprinting towards gunfights turning them into team rumble matches this is also amplified by the size of the map this is no longer an extraction shooter now players are literally sprinting towards gunfights over loot. By looking at games from streams the majority of the complaints about the bots was hard and too little pvp are from the top streaming players due to being killed by bots or other players being too weak from previous engagements. IMO the game Extraction mode was fine where it was at previously it created slow pace awareness and loot over potential dangerous engagement. This is why I said that Marathon needs to become more than an extraction to survive in today's climate just add PvE or alternate PvP modes like Clash, Control because all I'm seeing is the top to mid players wanting to test their builds on other players or bots that's why they want more Pvp but it's not working.