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12/18/2018 10:49:04 PM
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Snipez, he’s telling the truth. HES TELLING THE TRUTH?! -blam!- ME ULDREN IS BACK! -blam!-!
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Yes I know.
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Hello! Is this the Crusty Crab?
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No, this is Patrick!
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You’re about to be called the biggest idiot on the internet today.
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Yes I realize that now.
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It's not a troll. Way to make yourself look extremely dumb though. Saved everyone the trouble.
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Except it isn’t a troll, go check the throne room this week bud
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https://youtu.be/ejWnwDxqVDI
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Not a troll, go see for yourself.
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Has to be a troll.
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I promise you it is not.
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I do not believe Bungie is that stupid to allow Uldren to actually come back.
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It’s a really good idea actually. The story dynamic that could be set up by making him hunter vanguard has insane potential
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The Vanguard not anyone in the city would never let him step foot within the City. Are you forgetting he murdered a Vanguard?
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And we murdered him even though he was under control by Riven...
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Riven only amplified the Darkness already inside him. He killed Cayde of his own desire. Not because he was 100% under control. He deserved death and to stay dead.
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His desire was to find Mara. Not killing Cayde. He killed him because he was in his way or better, Riven's way. Riven tried to escape her prison. And she used him right from the start. It has been shown troughout the campaign in several cutscenes. Not to mention Mara Sov obviously used him as well as part of her plan because she never contacted Uldren. He was the victim all the time. I love that story twist with him becoming a chosen of the Traveler.
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No, his actions were to bring Mara back, who he thought was actually guiding him, which was Riven's voice in his head. And yes, it would cause quite a scene when he shows up to the Tower with a Ghost of his own, but he is basically a new person, it's just the same body we've seen before. His new self cannot be blamed for his previous actions. Who knows what horrors we or the current Vanguard could have committed before we/they became Guardians? We don't have memories of our previous life, so we will never know unless we find evidence of it externally. But that doesn't mean it's your new self's fault. Plus, he also presumably fulfills the Hunter Vanguard Dare now, which is to be respected.
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The Dare only applies to Hunters who killed Cayde. Uldren wasn’t a Hunter much less a Guardian when he killed Cayde so the Dare isn’t fulfilled.
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It doesn't say you have to already be a Hunter. He killed Cayde and he is now presumably a Hunter. So...
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Cayde literally says “To any Hunter that killed me”. Cayde Dared only Hunters.
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And Uldren killed him, who is now, presumably a Hunter...
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NOW he might be a Hunter. But THEN when he actually did the deed, he was not. So it doesn’t apply.
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We're just gonna have to agree to disagree because I see exactly what you're saying, but I can easily see his message being fulfilled retroactively, like a self-fulfilling prophecy type thing. Zavala's in game proximity dialogue even says "the Hunter dare will still be honored" or something like that. One person killed him. That one person is now a Hunter. You can take it as "the Traveler has chosen". Or else you're left with an eternally unfulfilled dare, and no Hunter Vanguard ever again. So...
