All I'm getting is this: Enemies: 1.2 on average = 3.6 total Me: 2~ (means the total of 2 other teammates have to be 1.6) So Bungie logic: let's match him up with 2 players with a 0.8 so that it's both a 1.2 k/d on average, so that the lower players are still getting their asses kicked and the higher players still have to carry them.

Bungie has explicitly said the objective of SBMM is to produce a 50% win and 50% lose experience. They are attempting to make each match predetermined; that's manipulation. Only people with no self esteem and integrity are fine with being manipulated.

As an avid, and rather skilled, Crucible player, I welcome the SBMM. It gives me a good feeling knowing I just beat someone that is most likely on the same level as I am, instead of feeling bad I just stomped less skilled players. I get the whole lag thing, but that has personally only been once in a while on my part. I also get the "I just want to have fun" thing. To that I say, add separate Ranked/Unranked playlists. [spoiler]I could just be an asshole though and tell you to git gud and get over it.[/spoiler][spoiler]lmao[/spoiler]

For the love of god bungie ....just do it. Ranked with sbmm / Unranked without.

Fortunately its more weighted towards connection not skill. They have said this. The lag you experience is because of peer 2 peer connection and will NEVER go away until there is a dedicated server. That is what you should be asking for if you actually want it to get better

Whaaa!!! I cannot pub stomp easy.. I cannot stat pad easy.. I cannot get easy kills and wins anymore.. not fun.. give me back my easy game mode. that is all this says.

Anybody else find it funny that the OP is stating his hatred for SBMM while also complaining that he is getting paired with people much better than he is? I actually wanted SBMM. I wanted to be able to play against people in my skill range so that I can continue to get better. However, I didn't anticipate the following: 1) The lag. I knew it would increase latency but I had no idea how bad it was going to be. 2) The long wait times. Again, I figured this would be affected but didn't realize how much worse it would get. 3) That it wouldn't be optional. Yes, I want to be able to just stomp on people from time to time. When you've put in the time to get better at something, you've earned the ability to have an easier time against those who haven't. I also miss being able to use whatever weapon I wanted and still have fun due to being better than almost everyone in the lobby. Would I want to do that day in and day out? No, of course not (if I did, I wouldn't have wanted SBMM in the first place) but it would be nice to be able to have a relaxing time playing PvP some times. 4) That primaries would get turned into garbage. Because primaries are so much weaker than they used to be, matches have turned into hardscoping campfests in higher-end lobbies. Playing in average lobbies is so much more fun not because I am better than they are but because of the way people play. 5) That they wouldn't actually support the change via leadboards and rewards. I didn't expect Bungie to do something as bush-league as sneak it into the game as if nobody would notice. I am hoping they do SBMM right in Destiny 2 but Bungie's incompetence simply cannot be underestimated at this point.

I REALLY REALLY hate people.

Ok let's look at that 1st match of the day. You went 7 kills 20 deaths and you have a 1.32 kd Now if we look at the other players we will see.. Number 1 has a 1.47 kd Number 2 has a 1.11 kd Number 3 has a 1.18 kd Yes sbmm was the problem? (Also can't find the 2.5 kd player) sometimes we blame the wrong thing :)

What, can't stand a little bit of a challenge.