you're right-ish they should unnerf things like the last thorn nerf and gjally/ black hammer, ice breaker is meh and i don't really care that much about it, but i do want to feel like i did in y1 when i ran thorn and blink shotty -because i suck in crucible and they helped a lot- i felt like i was a good player while i wasn't, the only thing i'd do consistently was 2 shotting with thorn from half a map away into the face of a sniper only to blink around a corner and shotgun someone in the face from approximately the same distance. that crucible was fun, heck it was the best fun i'd ever had in a pvp shooter. and then came the nerfs that made everything bad... no more handcannons outside of med range shotguns got a sever range nerf, but ofc that wasn't it in 2.1 they had to slow down shotty's even more even though they were in a great spot. all in all the crucible nerfs should be partly undone (handcannon accuracy and the last thorn nerf for example) and everything should be fast paced and fun again then again that's just me and i run around in Iron Banana with double shotty's or shotty fusion trying my best to not constantly die. for OP about the title screen music that dude doesn't work on destiny anymore and they can't use his music, if you wanna hear it though use the destiny theme on your ps4 (if that's what you're on) and it plays it when it starts up and when you're in the menu

IA bit of patience can get you far. Bungie has never once said old raids weren't getting an update. It makes more sense for Bungie to update the year one raids later on after the DLC maybe. Specially VoG. Why does that make sense you may ask? Well it comes down to momentum. If they release VoG last it has a great chance to attract players, who loved VoG but have left the game since, back into Destiny. They can then use that momentum and ride it all the way to Destiny 2. They know what cards they are holding and will most likely use it when they can benefit most from it. Why throw away the best cards they have, instead of saving them to be used later on when you need them most? As far as loot is concerned do you really think Bungie will bring those exact same weapons back just like how they were back in year one? Like Primaries having burns and all that. Hopefully your not holding your breath for it because I don't think Raid Primaries having Burns are never coming back. We might see the Exotic primaries keep the Burns they had but as far as legendary primaries are concerned I don't think they will be back. That doesn't mean an updated VoG won't be dropping anything worth while I just don't think they'll be like their year one counterparts with Burns and all. You don't need to bring back the past, it doesn't matter if it was the greatest ever made. You leave the past in the past but that doesn't mean it you ignore. Instead of the being brought back they can simply just learn from it and build from it. Improving it at the same sense. The nerfs were given to Icebreaker, Blackhammer, and Gjallarhorn was fair. They were OP and no that wasn't half the fun, heck the nerf on them weren't even that bad. Blackhammer is a perfectly logical nerf. Without that white nail nerf it clearly had Icebreaker outclassed because you can still use Gjallarhorn with it unlike Icebreaker. It also made Blackhammer so much more better than Icebreaker because you never have to do anything except constantly get precision hits and you'll have infinite ammo with no reload. At least with Icebreaker you were forced to stop and wait for the ammo to regenerate itself. The nerfs for those three specifically wasn't really about balance its more about getting them in line. Balance is never game breaking. Making one gear clearly more powerful than the others isn't the best route to take. It makes the game unfair and in the end shorten the games lifespan. I cant even imagine a game with little balance being fun or staying fun for anyone. I believe your delusional if you think Crota's End is a much better raid than King's Fall. VoG is the best raid period, Crota's End isn't even close to King's Fall. You got everything all mixed up to be honest. When Destiny came out I added like 300 people to my friends list and do you know when did I notice when people stopped logging into destiny religiously? Right before HoW and around mid way between HoW's and TTK's release dates. Most stopped playing just before HoW other just kept playing because they already have the season pass. Very little cared about Crota's End, because Crota's End was only fun for the first few runs. Heck some didn't even bother to get every gear from Crota's End. Outside Fatebringer and Blackhammer none of those raid weapons were truly considered by everyone as being "OP". The raid primaries were considered by most as being great because of their Burns mostly. Outside their burns and some perks they weren't really all that different from normal Legendaries. The only reason King's Fall raid weapons are getting blasted is simply because the primaries didn't have burns on them (also plus they do have some lame perks on them). You said it yourself the raid weapons should make you feel powerful for the end game activities. Did you know that those raid weapons deal extra damage to Taken enemies. It's unique raid perk Cocoon actually makes it even better than the VoG's and CE's unique raid perks found on their raid guns. It's miles better than any of those unique raid perks. That should tell you something off the bat. Those King's Fall raid loot still makes you feel a bit more powerful than before, infusing them to your gear makes that gear more powerful and in turn makes you powerful. Just because you're no longer using that raid weapon doesn't mean it didn't make you feel a tad bit powerful. With all that said all you have to do is wait and have patience. From what we have seen so far, it's kinda dumb to think that Bungie won't update those older raids and gear. Actually since The Taken King's release Bungie has done nothing but update and bring year one activities into year two. Using what Activision is doing with the next CoD release is kinda dumb. CoD4 servers are probably (most likely) been down for years now. You can no longer play it online, that's why people are excited because they can play it again. None of the year one content were taken away from you. You can still access them if you wanted to. It's not locked at all. Even when the day comes when Bungie finally brings VoG and the rest of year one contents into year two, there will be no "spike" in sales or whatever. It will probably bring some of the old vets back, but that's not even guaranteed. The only thing it will do is generate buzz (talks) about Destiny and in turn Destiny 2. Which I believe will Bungie's overall plan.

Luckily, the RAIDs are still there, and I play them from time to time.

My experience of cod4 was shit Aim bots K/d whores Sweaty teenagers screaming The game was dog shit. And the people that play it were also dogshit

I don't care about those old raids bungie should just give us an infusion option for all raid weapons even black hammer and change the black spindle perk to the old version with infinite ammo. what this game needs is more mysterys and easter eggs. I did the ????? patrol mission and it was so much fun.

Reason why Bungie won't ever do this: 1- It's Bungie and if they did do it they'd find ways to "improve" it thereby making it suck 2- Content and time management. Studio Hello Games made No Man's Sky in a few years starting with 6 employees and growing slightly above 3 dozen with half of that working on the game. Bungie employs over 500 people worldwide and took several years to make Destiny and with the content provided for as seen during Vanilla. Their ability to impress people with time, labor and content is astoundingly horrible! 3- Raids are PvE...why would they care about PvE? 4- Rewards system....because we all love getting strange coins already from nightfalls of course! 5- It'd distract them from finding ways to make updates/nerfs/changes/bs excuses to "improve the game quality" even when it's changes no one ever cared about. Pick your poison as any of the above or all are reasons why Bungie doing this is a bad idea.

World at war was far better than cod4, don't get me wrong they were both good but world at war for me, haven't played any since modern warfare 2, when they introduced this retarded jump and score streaks so the noobs can have some fun. No point in asking for the old raids back they far exceed the Kings fall in every way but it will never happen.

The next DLC is just going be the old raids. Get ready to pay for them, again.

I agree. Vault of Glass was Super Mario World good (that is saying a lot about its replay value). I'm already bored with Kings Fall.

Sounds a bit too progressive and labor intensive without directly making a profit to bungie(Activision) In short. -blam!- the customer. Love the money.

[quote]kings fall weapons suck dong[/quote]yes, yes the do

You can disable music if you didnt know but I agree